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    This makes an interesting read, although there is only a day left to add you vote.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...toric-interest

  • #2
    We are proposing that vehicles which have been ‘substantially altered’ will not be exempt from testing.
    That could be the killer, they could decide a loud exhaust is ‘substantially altered’ then everybody is screwed

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    • #3
      The issue is that if you are deemed not to be original, or substantially altered, you will need to be iva'd. Can't see many minis passing that...

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      • #4
        It's fine we all modified our mini's before 1983 so would be exempt from an IVA
        0-60mph 3.2sec, 0-100mph 7.8sec, 1/4mile [email protected] (now going to be rebuilt from sctratch instead of sold :) )
        http://www.twinenginemini.co.uk

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        • #5
          watch them feckers,, never know what ther up too,
          long term planners,,
          strange they want old shist off the roads and then this,
          "yuck ,more like a 3 r2"
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ
          SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE,
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

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          • #6
            Yep if they really clamp down on this we are royally (please insert your fruit of choice here).

            I'm just enjoying it while it's still possible, eventually they will stop all mods thanks to all the do good'ers who think anyone without a qualification in mechanics is inept and not capable of completing a car change.

            It's amazing that they are considering no test whatsoever on an old car, just because it only does a few miles a year it should still be tested for basic items such as braking and steering as these can still deteriorate over time. You'll end up with some innocent old dear in a rotten late 70's Cortina that they have owned from new driving it year after year without any safety check and then kill somebody when the brakes suddenly don't work.
            0-60mph 3.2sec, 0-100mph 7.8sec, 1/4mile [email protected] (now going to be rebuilt from sctratch instead of sold :) )
            http://www.twinenginemini.co.uk

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            • #7
              The point they are making is that cars older than 60 years were involved in something like 2 deaths in the last three years and of all accidents involving such cars about 3% were put down to mechanical failure.

              Mots are non profit for garages and cutting the number of cars being testing saves them more money than is paid out for related accidents.

              Its basically a cost cutting exerise, they even metioned the amount of polution produced taking the cars to an mot test vs polution produced by unhealthy engines if such vechiles didn't need to be tested.

              They also mention the possiblity of self certification for mods but will probably opt for vechilces to be examined. This is only for cars with vhi status though which at the moment you have to apply for even if over 40 years old? Why not just keep it as plg and pay the road tax?

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              • #8
                I don't think we'll have the choice not to go historic. laughably, instead of people ringing cars with new shells, they will be going the other way to avoid hv status.

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                • #9
                  I think part of the problem with modifications to cars is that what some accept as a safe mod might not be acceptable to others.
                  Most (probably all) of the conversions on here involve a reworked subframe. Before I started my subframe I must have looked at hundreds of photos of subframes and I have to say that some looked down right unsafe. Little or no thought given to triangulation or the various forces acting upon a particular area of the structure. This coupled with some seriously poor welding I have seen on some frames makes me think an engineers report would not be a bad idea. I'm not talking about having a mechanic or MOTr look at it but a proper engineer who understands what he is looking at.
                  Now having said that, there are a lot of well thought out and we'll executed frames out there. How many times have we seen on here "just bought myself a MIG and I'm going to make my own frame". A subframe should not be a starter project!
                  All it will take is for a poorly made frame to fail and cause an accident and then we are all up to our necks in it.

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                  • #10
                    This is part of the problem :-

                    Advertised as Tax and MOT exempt

                    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1935-Ford-...sAAOSwh2xYAQm1

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by smilerb View Post
                      This is part of the problem :-

                      Advertised as Tax and MOT exempt

                      http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1935-Ford-...sAAOSwh2xYAQm1
                      That might fail an MOT on bald tyres!

                      Don't you just love an optimistic description on Ebay!?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by smilerb View Post
                        This is part of the problem :-

                        Advertised as Tax and MOT exempt

                        http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1935-Ford-...sAAOSwh2xYAQm1
                        you got it!!! yes how can that be ok?
                        I don't mind any hot weird dangerass cars,, I love them but that's the sort of thing that's bound to rase eyebrows
                        "yuck ,more like a 3 r2"
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ
                        SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE,
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by McMini 22 View Post
                          I think part of the problem with modifications to cars is that what some accept as a safe mod might not be acceptable to others.
                          Most (probably all) of the conversions on here involve a reworked subframe. Before I started my subframe I must have looked at hundreds of photos of subframes and I have to say that some looked down right unsafe. Little or no thought given to triangulation or the various forces acting upon a particular area of the structure. This coupled with some seriously poor welding I have seen on some frames makes me think an engineers report would not be a bad idea. I'm not talking about having a mechanic or MOTr look at it but a proper engineer who understands what he is looking at.
                          Now having said that, there are a lot of well thought out and we'll executed frames out there. How many times have we seen on here "just bought myself a MIG and I'm going to make my own frame". A subframe should not be a starter project!
                          All it will take is for a poorly made frame to fail and cause an accident and then we are all up to our necks in it.
                          bang on!!! got to love the grate british loop hole,
                          has its usefull points that I have used to the full,
                          suppose we should be cairfull what we say?
                          "yuck ,more like a 3 r2"
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ
                          SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE,
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

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                          • #14
                            It's a shame that the IVA is so focused on things like radius of angles on the dashboard and door handles sticking out too far based on current standards, they don't take into account the age of the primary original car features which screws all minis even if they were original. If it was based on the original design of the car being accepted (such as things deemed now as interior dangers and external dangers that always existed like handles, panel seams etc) I would be more than happy to have my frames and other engineered items reviewed. If they decided something was substandard which I had designed\installed then it would actually be welcomed feedback that could then be resolved but what can I do about the base design of the model.
                            0-60mph 3.2sec, 0-100mph 7.8sec, 1/4mile [email protected] (now going to be rebuilt from sctratch instead of sold :) )
                            http://www.twinenginemini.co.uk

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                            • #15
                              I'm sure there was somebody since IVA that built a brand new Mini from Heritage panels & was able to register that as a new vehicle.

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