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  • Originally posted by geachy87 View Post
    What’s the plans for the pedals? I’ve got another steering rack coming that I’m going to try and fit in somehow, the metro one I took out seems to have vanished into thin air
    I'm still undecided.

    I'm not keen on modifying the pedals. The clutch shouldn't be a problem as several Honda guys use clutch stops to limit their pedal travel depending on which MC they use so a lot will depend on how the travel and bite point on the Clutchmasters internal slave I have works out. You'd hope the brake pedal should never have to go to the floor but if a circuit fails you'd really need as much travel as possible.

    My backstop option is to slightly mod the back of the subframe crossmember and the infill piece to be welded in to the bulkhead so that there is effectively a box the pedals can travel fully in to.

    Call it a work in progress at the moment.

    From your perspective you might not have as much of an issue. My goal was to get the frame as fall back as practically possible in my shell without replacing the whole bulkhead (a-la-Ringmini) but your goal is seeking clearance between your rack and your gearbox so you probably won't need to go back anywhere near as far as I have gone so you would probably need a much shallower bulkhead mod which might not impact on your pedals. I suspect you can get away without the extra mods to the inner wing to bulkhead join for the side plates and upper arm pivot nut and floor for the passenger side rack clearance issue I had.

    If the upper arm pivot nut is an issue you may find it easier to do what I did first which was to cut the nut in half (or just use the right size half-nut - I couldn't source any locally so I just cut the nut instead) and cut down the end of the pivot shaft to just proud of the nut with a spring washer behind. I initially did this for the Custom-Minis frame so I didn't have to put a box in the inner wing join but now I have the chance to get the frame back a little bit further I have to do this anyway !

    Also just bear in mind the further back you go the further the front wheels move back in the arch so if you've already fitted your wheel arche extensions then you might have to adjust their position as well.
    Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

    Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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    • I managed to lower the engine in the Watsons frame by redrilling the engine side mount bracket and cut and rewelded the gearbox side bracket 20mm lower







      I also trial fitted some parts I have picked up



      The Hayward and Scott manifold gives decent room for the grill and front panel



      but I have some issues with it:





      When I pulled it apart it came apart with a bit of a twang and now the pipes don't line up. I emailed H&S and they tell me its a design feature to stop the downpipes slipping out of the manifold (personally that's what I thought the clamps did !) and I have to squeeze the downpipes together to get them to line up but there is no way it'll squeeze together on the bench, let alone on the car. I PMed Kam and he says his H&S manifold will come apart and go back together by hand with the exhaust fitted to it on the car so I think mine does have an issue and I'm not sure I buy the explanation from H&S.
      Last edited by Oz; 24-03-2019, 10:08 PM.
      Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

      Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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      • Further to my post above I have done some searching and found a build by a member called flipflop who built an Allspeed vtec with and H&S Manifold and found a few pics:-

        https://www.16vminiclub.com/showthread.php?t=24939











        To be his manifold looks straight whereas mine is definitely kinked

        Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

        Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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        • Sorry, I was supposed to have posted the before and after shots of the lowered engine, but just realised I didn't, so:-

          Before:-



          After



          I've dropped the engine 20mm in the Watsons frame which is about as far as it will go without modifying the lower rail to clear the gearbox
          Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

          Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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          • Yeah, that H&S 'excuse' is bullsh*t ...
            It needs cutting and tweaking

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            • It looks like the manifold sits nice and close to the block, good for clearance!
              Could just be what I'm after, are you able to take some more pics showing how close it is please? And if it's not too much trouble, a measurement of how far the manifold come out at it's furthest point

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              • Mr C

                Not sure whats going on with yours but no you shouldn't have to bend anything to get any of it to line up and slip onto its mating pipe, like you said the clamps are there for a reason, it should be slip on slip off Mr Miyagi style

                Here is mine between the 1.6 to 2.0 stage, I sent the manifold back to H&S to extend the runners so I had some extra room to drop just incase the rest of the exhaust decided to have a barmy with the tunnel clearance, this was pre posting so it was slipped on and off lets just say a few times, no issues





                Manifold was also on engine and remainder pipe as above was slipped on various times with again no issues, there must be some heat distortion or issue during the process with yours but either way you are gonna have to call/email them to explain others on the forum who have bought the manifold from them are not having any issues like this so have they have altered the jig there end from MattG's original build? Its got to be a manufacture issue, its a lot of money so don't accept that manifold ends are distorted to enable a tighter fit to stop the collector from sliding off, like you say there is a thing called exhaust clamps...
                My mini has got nothing to prove so nothing to lose

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                • I've also updated the Honda Chat manifold sticky with the pics straight after purchase for others but for your reference as well
                  My mini has got nothing to prove so nothing to lose

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                  • Thanks Kam that's really useful.

                    I emailed Ian overnight and got a terse response saying "Send it back and I will have a look and change it if need, is that OK?"

                    Frankly no it isn't "OK", he had clear photos of the issue and decided to fob me off with BS rather than say send it back and we'll take a look in the first place. Even now its "change it if need", so do I trust them to fix the issue ? No, I don't. I've lost faith in them so I'm going to get it sorted locally by someone I do trust. Yes, it'll cost me more but it would also cost me in posting it back to the UK in the hope they will "fix" it but still with no guarantees from them.
                    Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                    Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                    • Originally posted by Starmag View Post
                      It looks like the manifold sits nice and close to the block, good for clearance!
                      Could just be what I'm after, are you able to take some more pics showing how close it is please? And if it's not too much trouble, a measurement of how far the manifold come out at it's furthest point
                      Hi, no worries but it won't be until next week as I won't be at my garage until the weekend.
                      Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                      Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                      • Originally posted by Kam View Post


                        Actually I notice your downpipe section is one-piece from the 2-1 join forwards where as mine are bends and straight sections welded together (in my case welded together wonky !!)



                        Zooming in on flipflops photos I posted above, his are also one-piece by the looks of it !
                        Last edited by Oz; 29-03-2019, 02:09 PM.
                        Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                        Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                        • Originally posted by Starmag View Post
                          It looks like the manifold sits nice and close to the block, good for clearance!
                          Could just be what I'm after, are you able to take some more pics showing how close it is please? And if it's not too much trouble, a measurement of how far the manifold come out at it's furthest point
                          H&S manifold:-


                          Generic Ebay manifold:-
                          Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                          Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                          • That's perfect, thank you for that

                            Originally posted by Oz View Post
                            H&S manifold:-


                            Generic Ebay manifold:-

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                            • Originally posted by Oz View Post
                              Actually I notice your downpipe section is one-piece from the 2-1 join forwards where as mine are bends and straight sections welded together (in my case welded together wonky !!)
                              The collector?

                              Yeah its one continuous pipe on each side from where it slips onto the manifold to the join underneath, just noticed yours is welded to form the up collector pipes

                              I have no idea whats going on there so it would be worthwhile (even though you are getting the pipe altered locally) to ask Ian whats going on as that is not part of the jig they got, you can use my first picture from the Honda chat link and flips one to show you have seen others

                              I'm surprised by this but overall its not good, if you get any shirty replies then let me know and I'll pull the link down
                              My mini has got nothing to prove so nothing to lose

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                              • Originally posted by Kam View Post
                                The collector?

                                Yeah its one continuous pipe on each side from where it slips onto the manifold to the join underneath, just noticed yours is welded to form the up collector pipes

                                I have no idea whats going on there so it would be worthwhile (even though you are getting the pipe altered locally) to ask Ian whats going on as that is not part of the jig they got, you can use my first picture from the Honda chat link and flips one to show you have seen others

                                I'm surprised by this but overall its not good, if you get any shirty replies then let me know and I'll pull the link down
                                Yes, sorry, the collector, I wasn't quite sure what I should call it

                                TBH I am really hacked off at his attitude so I'm not contacting him again but yes, it certainly looks like they've gone their own way on the one they made for me, I'm pretty sure its welding the straights on c0ck-eyed that has give the issue I am having.
                                Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                                Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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