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  • The fabricated box is currently bolted up at the moment, it will be welded up soon.

    So glad to get this done as it was really holding up the rest of the build as I needed to get the frame mounted properly and all mods done before I could crack on with the rest of the fitting. I feel a milestone has been reached
    Last edited by Oz; 09-04-2018, 12:35 PM.
    Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

    Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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    • Originally posted by Oz View Post
      Still, managed to put a few road miles on it. Still got some clonks and creaks when using the clutch so am thinking some stiffer engine mounts might cure that hopefully.
      Reading back through my posts I noticed I'd said this when got it back on the road in 2011 after swapping the rear subframe. Something I'd not mentioned was that at the same time I'd fitted new dampers all round.

      When I started stripping the car last year I found the drivers side top damper bolt was loose, I probably just didn't tighten it up properly (it was a Nylock so unlikely to have come undone itself) - I reckon that might have been the cause of the creaking as it wasn't doing it before I took the car of the road in 2009 to do the subframe ...

      The moral of this story - always check and then double-check your nuts
      Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

      Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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      • Easy mistake, and they are a pain to do up/undo,
        I taken to using a spacer to fill the over long thred,
        "yuck ,more like a 3 r2"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ
        SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE,
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

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        • My mate came around on Saturday to weld in the box for the steering rack and discovered why I've been having so much trouble welding - user error !! I hadn't turned the regulator valve all the way and I was effectively gas-less welding and wondering why my welds looked like bird-poo !! Much hilarity on his part and much embarrassment on mine but hopefully things should run a bit smother (and my welds !!) now the - ahem !! - problem has been resolved.
          Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

          Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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          • lol , we all make sillys .. crack on bud
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            • I spent some time at my garage at the weekend trying to trial mount my B16 in the Custom-Minis frame. After a lot of swearing I found that the motor was getting jammed in the frame with the downpipes from the manifold catching on the front cross member and the gearbox on the back of the frame. Olli from Custom-Minis had supplied some pics of a B16 mounted in my frame which he took when he was building the frame and the difference is that he did not have the exhaust manifold fitted. Looking at these compared to my motor sitting in the frame, the gearbox is further forward so it seems the manifold is stopping me moving the engine far enough forward.

              I am going to remove my manifold and try again.
              Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

              Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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              • With exhaust manifold off I managed to get the engine mounted in the frame but had some trouble with the rear mount.

                It should fit like this:-



                But I've run out of adjustment on the rear mount, the mount is fully unwound and but in the above pic it looks like only 30odd-mm of thread is showing. I must be doing something wrong so I've messaged poor Olli at Custom-Minis again for help !!

                I have a nice tubular exhaust manifold that doesn't look like it will fit with the front bar of the subframe. Once I get the engine position sorted I will have to see what I can do or if I need to find a different manifold.

                It's all fun (that's what I keep telling myself) !!!
                Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                • I've also taken delivery of an M-Factory 3.4 diff for LSD, a Clutchmasters hydraulic internal release bearing and a light flywheel. Minispares also delivered my new front end panels so plenty to be getting on with .....
                  Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                  Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                  • After managing to get the engine to sit in the frame in about the correct position it looks like my exhaust manifold (standard cast one and a S/S tubular one) will both still hit the front crossmember so I've been messaging Hayward & Scott about one of their manifolds for the Allspeed frame. This subframe swap is starting to get very expensive !!! ssshhhhh don't tell the wife
                    Last edited by Oz; 19-11-2018, 03:34 PM.
                    Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                    Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                    • How much clearance do you need? Maybe do what I did, cut and extend the front crossmember, chop a piece from the front valance to clear it and put your licence plate on the crossmember so nothing shows up..
                      Easy and free..so your wife wont mind!

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                      • Originally posted by jsouroufis View Post
                        How much clearance do you need? Maybe do what I did, cut and extend the front crossmember, chop a piece from the front valance to clear it and put your licence plate on the crossmember so nothing shows up..
                        Easy and free..so your wife wont mind!
                        lol. I did look to see if I could cut and plate a section of the front crossmember for clearance on the downpipes but unfortunately the flange between the 4 branch section and the two downpipes is just about touching the crossmember so it would require a lot of cutting and I'm worried about losing too much strength. TBH the H&S manifold makes a lot of sense on various levels to me so I'm just gonna go for it rather than mess around.
                        Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                        Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                        • I got over this problem by removing 1" from the manifold, where it's welded to the flange that bolts to the head. Worked a treat
                          (You may have to get the flange machined flat again after it's welded though)

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                          • Originally posted by Oz View Post
                            lol. I did look to see if I could cut and plate a section of the front crossmember for clearance on the downpipes but unfortunately the flange between the 4 branch section and the two downpipes is just about touching the crossmember so it would require a lot of cutting and I'm worried about losing too much strength. TBH the H&S manifold makes a lot of sense on various levels to me so I'm just gonna go for it rather than mess around.
                            That's all fine if you've made up your mind!

                            But just to clear things up, because I think I'm lost in translation as a non native speaker:
                            -What I meant is to basically convert your roundnose crossmember to a clubman crossmember as sold by Allspeed. Since it does not fit, cut the front valance and put the number plate on it. Like this:


                            With number plate on the crossmember


                            -I think you understood to cut only a section of the crossmember where it meets the manifold and basically reducing the width of the bar?

                            No offence, just wanted to know if we understood the same thing!

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                            • No worries. I did get what you meant but the custom-minis frame doesn't lend itself to that kind of mod. The front crossmember is a tube not box-section so not really able to mod it like the Allspeed front crossmember.

                              The only thing I could do is to cut a section out of the crossmember for clearance but it'd need too much taking out in my opinion.
                              Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                              Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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                                I managed a little bit of time at the garage dry building the front suspension. Just to keep the morale up I couldn't resist just putting the wheels on just to see how things were looking
                                Last edited by Oz; 27-01-2020, 11:19 AM.
                                Watsons frame in a standard length front, they said it was impossible ...

                                Build Thread - standard length round nose B series with Watsons frame, it is possible

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