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Old 23-01-2018, 09:12 PM   #1
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Default Leveling / squaring X16XE , allspeed subframe

How do you guys do this? Any tips?
This text is from the allspeed c20xe guide:

"The engine can now be leveled and squared, this will take time and patience, there are shims
included as a last resort to level the unit. The engine should be level to 1 deg. Sloping forward.
Gear linkages/driveshafts / ancillaries and wiring can now be fitted. "

As of now i have only fitted the engine and made sure that there is clearance everywhere, have not squared or leveled it at all.
How do i measure if it is squared?

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Old 24-01-2018, 12:11 PM   #2
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Yes what's level? I would go by if shafts and other bits look corrected the problem, not sure that level comes into it, well within reason
I will start again so it make sense,
Most manufacturers seem to live with set things and spirit levels up there peachss they have no option unless they make custom fit for your car,
Best thing to do is fit it and ask about what concerns you?
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Old 24-01-2018, 12:53 PM   #3
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I just rested a small spirit level on the cam cover. You need the car sat level too of course so flat garage floor helps


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Old 24-01-2018, 01:02 PM   #4
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Thanks guys, but the leveling is not the hard part, squaring it is...
What to use as reference points for measuring?

Maybe its not that big of a deal if its a bit misaligned?
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Old 24-01-2018, 01:09 PM   #5
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I'd think the drive shafts being square would be the important part of squaring the engine.
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Yes that's it, the rest points are already in place? Or do you have bair frame without mounts? What do you need to measure? That's what you paid good cash for,
Spirit level needs to be put in the bin! Feel it yourself! Unless it's a "balance a boiled egg" compation
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I took a reference point on the front panel and measured back to the cam cover. If the engine is square to the body, the driveshafts should be too.



If you have removable front could use similar idea and measure forward from crossmember?


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Old 25-01-2018, 09:12 AM   #8
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yes, the driveshafts are of course the vital point.
I have bought a complete frame with mounts.
The mounts have as you know "long-holes" as we say in sweden, to be able to adjust the engine position. Im a bit worried as my right mount is in the very end of the adjustment, and is has to be, otherwize the trigger wheel interferes with the rubber mount. The left side is on the opposite end of the adjustment, and it also has to be like that, otherwize the clearance to the gearbox is too small (it is now about 5 mm, to the lug on the gearbox.)
That string method was a good idea, will measure to a set ref point on the subframe and see how much of it is.

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I think it's quite common to be at different points on the long holes left vs right. There are often compromises made on perfect alignment to fit round gearbox/manifold/alternator/bulkhead clearance. My dad's building a Watson frame car right now and that 'fits where it touches'....


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Old 26-01-2018, 03:45 PM   #10
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I measured it yesterday, using the rear transverse bar on the subframe as a reference point against the camshaft cover. It was about 2 mm off at most, on a distance of about 300 mm. Hopefully it's ok
Are you guys using the aluminium oil pan? It's really bad clearance to the subframe, i think i have to modify it a bit...
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