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Old 08-07-2007, 08:41 PM   #1
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MINI BASED FRAME & 10" WHEELS SETUP FROM PAGE 33



hi, i'm starting my k series mini project. i've just finished a complete rebuild on my 1971 mini complete with a 1380. after driving it for 2 weeks i have decided to take it off the road again to bung in a 1.6 k. the car needs no other work so i'm hoping it shouldn't take too long. i'm going for a modded mini frame to keep standard track and length round nose. i have researched the conversion extensively and being an engineer feel confident i can complete it to a high standard. i have limited space so don't have room for a doner car and have located a complete 416 in the scrappy which i can have everything i need for 120. i know i need the engine/box, driveshafts etc as well as the ecu, 5as, loom and key fobs but is there anything else i need - how much of the loom will i need (do i need to take the dash out)? i know very little about the electrics/ecu/5as so would appreciate any advice in removing it! oh its a 97 (r reg) 416.
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Old 09-07-2007, 06:00 PM   #2
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well after trawling through the scrappy all the engines had done 110k+ with bits missing! and i decided i would probably end up with a lemon so i've just bought the 10k 1.8 engine off codd! i'll be picking it up tomorrow. to make fitting easier (read possible!) i'm gonna fit a r65u box from a r100, i believe these have the highest FD (correct me if im wrong) so will be best with my 10" wheels?
Can i use the 1.8 flywheel and clutch with the r65u??
Also i have an mpi mini rad, has anyone used one in a standard roundnose conversion?
Finally i have an mpi mini tank, can anyone tell me which tube is the outlet from the pump and which is the return?
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Old 09-07-2007, 06:06 PM   #3
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Can i use the 1.8 flywheel and clutch with the r65u??
No you ideally want hte flywheel and clutch form a 1.6 k-series (bubble rover 416) known as the R65U setup. you will also need to make sure the new flywheel tooth pattern matches your 1.8. best info for 1.8's on R65 gearboxes is prob somewhere like metropower forums as they will have aFAQ or similar on this or jsut keep the PG1 and swap it later for a PG1 with an LSD from a rover coupe turbo


Also i have an mpi mini rad, has anyone used one in a standard roundnose conversion?
yes, a few people have a flick through the k-series galleries
http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/vi...869&highlight=

Finally i have an mpi mini tank, can anyone tell me which tube is the outlet from the pump and which is the return?

theres either a pic showing the pipes in our gallery or over on turbominis shoudl come u pin a search
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Old 09-07-2007, 06:28 PM   #4
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thanks! i'd like to keep the pg1 but has anyone done this with a modded mini frame? i thought it was just too big?
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Old 09-07-2007, 06:30 PM   #5
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yes, but its rare. if you have the gearbox offer it up and see how it goes, it would be the better choice of gearbox anyways!
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Old 09-07-2007, 07:23 PM   #6
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ok, i'm gonna make it fit, now wheres my big hammer....
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Old 09-07-2007, 07:38 PM   #7
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The PG1 would probably be the best box to choose as it will cope with the power and abuse better BUT and it's a but that would make my personal choice be the R65.

The R65 has a great feel to it, it's positive and tight whereas the PG1 which i have on my daily drive 218 VVC coupe is floppy and not at all positive which would really bug me if it were in my Mini. Having said that it could just be a tired example of a PG1 though at the same time i've driven four different rovers with R65's all fairly high mileage and they've all been spot on.

I suppose it depends on how important you think the feel of a box is and if you might want lots of power and an LSD in the future.
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Old 09-07-2007, 07:57 PM   #8
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hmmm, well the pg1 has only done 10k miles so should be pretty good, as i've never driven a r65 box i'll have nowt to compare it to anyways. i'll see how i get on with it
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Cool! Now put the mouse and keyboard down and get building.
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The PG1 'box on my dad's old Rover 75 2.5 V6 was slick and smooth compared to many cars I've driven... and that was from new, until he sold it 140k miles later. I liked it! But would the gearing suit 10" rims and rubber?
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Old 10-07-2007, 02:26 PM   #12
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Nice one

I will be watching this with a very close eye as I am in exactly the same boat as you in terms of wanting a 1.6 k in a standard roundnose, in a modded frame and running 10s!

Please get plenty pics up

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Old 10-07-2007, 02:55 PM   #13
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i did wonder about the gearing but i think the pg1s have higher ratios to suit the torque of the bigger engines, well if i make th pg1 fit i know they'll be room for a r65!
i'm picking the engine up tonight, will get some piccys on as soon as possible!!
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you do have to be carefull which flywheel you use as evo said.

I believe the pg1 box has a bigger flywheel that will not fit into the r65.
If you want to keep the standard ecu you will have to check the patterns.

Unless you have a eu3 engine. thay use larger flywheels for the pg1 but the same pattern as the r65 which is usefull for me!
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:39 PM   #15
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right, got the engine and suddenly realised how much work i've got to do
has anyone got any info and pics of a pg1 in a standard lenght round nose??
the box looks massive and initial measurements don't look promising, it's mainly the diff housing which sticks out alot. does anyone have a pg1 and r65 to compare???
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