NudgerSS 1.6 16v - Page 4

MattG · 07-02-2010, 08:17 PM

lol , well done mate .. its a great feeling .. regardless of how well it starts..

i do have a spare coil pack somewhere in my garage ... if i can find it ... its yours

back firing .. is normally timing .... but dont panic .. it starts .. thats the first major problem out the way ... it took me a month to get mine to rev ( built the MS wrong )

Matt

NudgerSS · 07-02-2010, 08:57 PM

Was well chuffed when it kicked into life. There were times when I thought the day may never come.

My spark map may be out causing the backfire through TB's. Not sure where I got it from TBH.

Also tried the getting some gears while it was running to test the dodgy clutch setup and blow me it went in. Very notchy which may need looking at but in nonetheless. Wheels turning and the whole shabang! Only tried 1st n 2nd as it was up on axle stands so didn't want to drop off n shoot down the drive! LOL

John

Oh thanks for the offer of coilpack Matt. I got 2 Ford ones while I was at scrappies so should be OK. Think they are more or less the same thing.

alexcrosse · 07-02-2010, 10:29 PM

mine was like that, all over the shot, dont no if you have anything to read your lambda either but i expect itll be jumpy.

solution... balance the throttle bodies

Congratulations anyway mate, u best not beat me onto the road =p

Cheers

Al

jayare · 08-02-2010, 07:25 PM

Nice one - I can't wait to fire mine up for the first time although if I keep finding rust like I did today that'll be a long way off!

JR

pob · 08-02-2010, 08:40 PM

Watch when you're running it on the axle stands, the hubs hang down and the cv runs at its full extension. I did this and wore a hole through the rubber boot. The very short driveshaft makes the angle too sharp for constant running on the stands.

NudgerSS · 08-02-2010, 08:56 PM

Ah right good info Pob. Was only for a second or two so should be OK.

Been back in the garage trying to get it running better but no joy. Richened the fuel map up a touch to try n stop it shooting flames back out the TB's but no different.

Think the mice that went in the exhaust must've had a tinker with summat as an Allen key and a bolt came out along with bits of plastic and card! Now I know they definitely weren't in the engine when I started it up! Well, I hope not....

Was getting a lot of spikes off my sensors until I wired up my electric fan to an earth switch and then they all smoothed out. Think I need to redo the earths inside the car.

John

alexcrosse · 08-02-2010, 10:35 PM

have u tried balancing the throttles with a balancing gauge yet? it will not run correctly without these balanced, even if there a tiny bit off, no amount of mapping will help

mini_mad_daps · 14-02-2010, 06:14 PM

loving the project!!

is this gonna be a road car or track car?? just wondered as i thought mot regulations now state you cant have the clutch/brake resoviors inside the car??

NudgerSS · 14-02-2010, 10:01 PM

I'm glad you're loving it cos its doing my bloody head in!

its going to be a road car but my MOT Garage is run by a lifelong friend so i should be ok

mini_mad_daps · 15-02-2010, 05:31 PM

awesome should be all good then. no its a really kool build mate keep up the good work!

NudgerSS · 26-02-2010, 03:35 PM

Just a quickie. Still struggling to get it running right but took a quick vid of it.

It was idling ok but any throttle and it pops and farts. Getting a tiny bit of mayo in the oil cap so I think I'm going to have to do the head gasket. Checked dipstick and there was some on that too.

Not quite sure of the front end fit either

Ta ta for now....

evolotion · 26-02-2010, 05:33 PM

leave the head gasket till its on the road, engines that have been sat are full of condensation

alexcrosse · 26-02-2010, 05:36 PM

as evolution, it will be condensation, it seems to be especially bad on vaux engines, its nothing to worry about atall. As for the revs, have you balanced the throttles yet? it will not run properly without doing so.

Also, have you set your TPS up? you checked the voltage on it when you press the throttle down? is it jumpy or smooth?

Cheers

Al

NudgerSS · 26-02-2010, 05:48 PM

I was hoping it might be condensation

Got the TB's pretty much balanced up with the 'bit of old pipe' method.

However, despite my 3 large earth straps I'm still getting spikes on some sensors in Megatune. Namely Temp sensor which seems to read more than double til the thermostat opens then a steady 77C? The TPS jumps around a bit too just sat at idle. Might have to get the geniune plug for it as I've just got 3 small connectors on it which are pushing up against each other altho they are insulated.

It could well be the spark map which is out. Not sure where this one came from

Cheers - John

PS. Yours is looking and sounding well Al. You git!

alexcrosse · 26-02-2010, 05:55 PM

lol, cheers john.

Yer well i wouldnt worry about your spark map so much until you have a perfectly smooth TPS output, thats why its all over the shot. If you smooth out all the signals and its still like that let me no and ill help you out with a map you can base yours on. Also, if you can; get a propper balancer instead of the pipe and ear, there not deer and makes one hell of a difference.

As for spikes :S how strange! you battery charged well? and holding charge?

oooo, one more, what is your AFR like at idle?

07-02-2010, 08:17 PM	#46
MattG Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Sussex,UK Posts: 5,248 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 2000 Make: Vauxhall ECU: Megasquirt	lol , well done mate .. its a great feeling .. regardless of how well it starts.. i do have a spare coil pack somewhere in my garage ... if i can find it ... its yours back firing .. is normally timing .... but dont panic .. it starts .. thats the first major problem out the way ... it took me a month to get mine to rev ( built the MS wrong ) Matt __________________ Building race car ... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Building a space frame mini with my friend jerry , cutting disk no 21 used , 12th Stella

08-02-2010, 07:25 PM	#49
jayare Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 251 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1796? Make: Vauxhall	Nice one - I can't wait to fire mine up for the first time although if I keep finding rust like I did today that'll be a long way off! JR __________________ My project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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evolotion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glasgow. Posts:17,498 Posts: 4,698 Subframe: Home Made CC: 1400 Make: Rover ECU: Megasquirt	leave the head gasket till its on the road, engines that have been sat are full of condensation __________________ 11.9@118 :) Denis.

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07-02-2010, 08:57 PM	#47
NudgerSS Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 352 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1600 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967EF	Was well chuffed when it kicked into life. There were times when I thought the day may never come. My spark map may be out causing the backfire through TB's. Not sure where I got it from TBH. Also tried the getting some gears while it was running to test the dodgy clutch setup and blow me it went in. Very notchy which may need looking at but in nonetheless. Wheels turning and the whole shabang! Only tried 1st n 2nd as it was up on axle stands so didn't want to drop off n shoot down the drive! LOL John Oh thanks for the offer of coilpack Matt. I got 2 Ford ones while I was at scrappies so should be OK. Think they are more or less the same thing.

07-02-2010, 10:29 PM	#48
alexcrosse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Banbury / Essex Posts: 216 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1598 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967 EF	mine was like that, all over the shot, dont no if you have anything to read your lambda either but i expect itll be jumpy. solution... balance the throttle bodies Congratulations anyway mate, u best not beat me onto the road =p Cheers Al

08-02-2010, 08:40 PM	#50
pob Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,060 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1600 Make: Vauxhall ECU: Vauxhall + superchip	Watch when you're running it on the axle stands, the hubs hang down and the cv runs at its full extension. I did this and wore a hole through the rubber boot. The very short driveshaft makes the angle too sharp for constant running on the stands.

08-02-2010, 08:56 PM	#51
NudgerSS Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 352 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1600 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967EF	Ah right good info Pob. Was only for a second or two so should be OK. Been back in the garage trying to get it running better but no joy. Richened the fuel map up a touch to try n stop it shooting flames back out the TB's but no different. Think the mice that went in the exhaust must've had a tinker with summat as an Allen key and a bolt came out along with bits of plastic and card! Now I know they definitely weren't in the engine when I started it up! Well, I hope not.... Was getting a lot of spikes off my sensors until I wired up my electric fan to an earth switch and then they all smoothed out. Think I need to redo the earths inside the car. John

08-02-2010, 10:35 PM	#52
alexcrosse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Banbury / Essex Posts: 216 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1598 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967 EF	have u tried balancing the throttles with a balancing gauge yet? it will not run correctly without these balanced, even if there a tiny bit off, no amount of mapping will help

14-02-2010, 06:14 PM	#53
mini_mad_daps Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Nottingham Posts: 83 Subframe: Home Made CC: 2000 Make: Vauxhall ECU: Motronic 1.5	loving the project!! is this gonna be a road car or track car?? just wondered as i thought mot regulations now state you cant have the clutch/brake resoviors inside the car??

14-02-2010, 10:01 PM	#54
NudgerSS Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 352 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1600 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967EF	I'm glad you're loving it cos its doing my bloody head in! its going to be a road car but my MOT Garage is run by a lifelong friend so i should be ok

15-02-2010, 05:31 PM	#55
mini_mad_daps Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Nottingham Posts: 83 Subframe: Home Made CC: 2000 Make: Vauxhall ECU: Motronic 1.5	awesome should be all good then. no its a really kool build mate keep up the good work!

26-02-2010, 03:35 PM	#56
NudgerSS Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 352 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1600 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967EF	Just a quickie. Still struggling to get it running right but took a quick vid of it. It was idling ok but any throttle and it pops and farts. Getting a tiny bit of mayo in the oil cap so I think I'm going to have to do the head gasket. Checked dipstick and there was some on that too. Not quite sure of the front end fit either Ta ta for now....

26-02-2010, 05:36 PM	#58
alexcrosse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Banbury / Essex Posts: 216 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1598 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967 EF	as evolution, it will be condensation, it seems to be especially bad on vaux engines, its nothing to worry about atall. As for the revs, have you balanced the throttles yet? it will not run properly without doing so. Also, have you set your TPS up? you checked the voltage on it when you press the throttle down? is it jumpy or smooth? Cheers Al

26-02-2010, 05:48 PM	#59
NudgerSS Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 352 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1600 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967EF	I was hoping it might be condensation Got the TB's pretty much balanced up with the 'bit of old pipe' method. However, despite my 3 large earth straps I'm still getting spikes on some sensors in Megatune. Namely Temp sensor which seems to read more than double til the thermostat opens then a steady 77C? The TPS jumps around a bit too just sat at idle. Might have to get the geniune plug for it as I've just got 3 small connectors on it which are pushing up against each other altho they are insulated. It could well be the spark map which is out. Not sure where this one came from Cheers - John PS. Yours is looking and sounding well Al. You git!

26-02-2010, 05:55 PM	#60
alexcrosse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Banbury / Essex Posts: 216 Subframe: Allspeed CC: 1598 Make: Vauxhall ECU: MBE 967 EF	lol, cheers john. Yer well i wouldnt worry about your spark map so much until you have a perfectly smooth TPS output, thats why its all over the shot. If you smooth out all the signals and its still like that let me no and ill help you out with a map you can base yours on. Also, if you can; get a propper balancer instead of the pipe and ear, there not deer and makes one hell of a difference. As for spikes :S how strange! you battery charged well? and holding charge? oooo, one more, what is your AFR like at idle?