G13B; my engine,JIG and subframe pictures!

[Welder]

Hey!
Another dutchman on your 16v forum. Keep up the good work here!

My name is Jasper and I live in Best, Netherlands. Nearby Eindhoven.

I'm making a schedule of building my 16v mini motorswap.

My question is: Can a 16v suz 13B fit in a mini standard roundnose? I see that some forumguys doing that. I see it fits. But i do not want to cut away the part of my minibody. Is that cold the bulkhead in English?
I mean the place where you RHdrive place the clutchcilinder (original mini)

I searched on this forum but can not find a proper answer.. can you help me?

Thanks!

[Marcus Nordblom]

no mods required if you use mk1 inlet manifold, maybe you have to trim the inner wings a bit

//marcus

[miniswift]

Hi,

I have cut away mine due to R1 carbs fitment.
If you see everyone else's you will see it will fit nicely.

I got bit carried away with mine and that might be the reaon why, it is taking so long time to finish..... also, change of jobs, 2 babies, 3 house moves.

Like Marcus said, you can fit in round fron without bulkhead mod but you will need to cut away inner wing.

If you look at Smurfy's build, you will see it well what you need to do.

Cheers
Atchi

[Welder]

ok, Thanks. Here in the Netherlands is it much easier to find the MKII parts. MKI is too old and in very bad condition.

Jasper

[speedy]

hallo jasper,

mk2 will fit too. tilt it just a little forward for a little more space at the back. that way you have more space on your steeringrack to.

groet,
wytze

[Spiyda]

We mounted the MK2 engine dead centre, and had to reshape the right side inner wing to clear the cam belt cover. It would have fitted in with the cover removed, but we preferred to do it that way. The same inner wing is usually cut where the alternator is remounted.

I believe some people fit the engine slightly to the left, with about 20mm different in length driveshafts to help clearance.

We also cut part of the bulkhead crossmember away but that was to fit throttle bodies.

On Left hand drive cars, there is less problem with clearing the brake and clutch master cylinders.

Chris (-=Spiyda=-)

[Welder]

thanks a lot for all the answers.
I still haven't found a good car. I think Euro 400,= must be enough....

[Welder]

Hi There!

I 've found myselve an engine G13B, 1992.
Soon I 'll have it picked up. When my JiG is ready to build a subframe I'll post some pics.
The price of the complete engine, fuellpump, ECU, shaft, alternator, etc is 300 EURO.

The engine has been bought by a friend of mine. I was thinking it was a MKI engine... Atchi is right.... We bought a MKII 1992 engine... sorry for confusing you here... (and myselve (-:)

[Welder]

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-KION8S37.jpg

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[miniswift]

Jasper,

That's G13B 1300 16v engine and it looks like mk2 engine.
I hope you have all of wiring and ECU.
Your Dizzy will be controlled by ECU.

Good luck with building your subframe and wiring.
I will be starting my car again soon.

Cheers
Atchi

[Welder]

Hi Atchi!
Thanks!!

You are right... The engine is somewhere else. I have not seen it with my own eyes. I read the advertisement wrong.... It is a 1992 Swift.

I have everyting complete:

ECU
Shafts
Wiring
Alternator
Clockpannel
Fuellpump
Clutch
etc.
As soon as possible it comes to my place. I'll build the frame, my friend is doing all the wiring.... I'll watch...help,.. and learn....

Greets JASPER

[Welder]

A good day to get some dirty hands! As you can see, the engine is getting a better look!
Got it all cleaned and the top of the cams got some new paint. I'll think i use this color as a primer. Have not decided witch color I'll use in the EngineBay.

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-R6QVMYPQ.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-ILGAHPQJ.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-Y3BOTDCZ.jpg

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[speedy]

looking good jasper,

i started on mine as wel...
my frame is allmost done...
i hope to get some solid mounts tomorrow.

[Welder]

Today was a good day to build the JIG for the Suz-mini Subframe. I made the JIG with some wheels so I can roll it over in my garage. I used 40x40x2 tube and some restmaterial of other projects. Like; 80x40x2 and some 3 mm plate material.

I ordered some mounts too , hope they come as soon as possible. I took cilinder 70x45 solidmounts, I'll think that will do the job.

Here some pics of the JIG:





http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-4878DU48.jpg

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[Welder]

Today was a hot day to work in a old Greenhouse. But I made some good progression:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-BP46WHQL.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-NQXYNPWL.jpg

[Welder]

A hot day again in the old greenhouse, but I got the transmission fitted back on the engine. I made myselve a tool to center the clutchplate, otherwise it was a hell of job to fit the transmission back on.

A lot of action with my grinder and you see the frame will get closer as it shoot be. I made the tube for the manifold to short. I ran out of 35x35mm tube so I took some 40x40mm extra to relocate it on the subframe.

Can Anybody tell me how far I can build to the left on the picture. I can imagine that the weel can hit the frame when you steer on max angle?
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-MIUS8QQZ.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-4GVQFM36.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-AJQYC7HQ.jpg

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[miniswift]

Hi Jasper,

You should ask admin/moderator to move this posts to build diary section.
This is your build so they will move it for you.

I was going to say you will need to fit water pump pulley so you can see clearance but you have done it now.

Your subframe looks good and clean, not like mine!
The way you are going, you will finish before me.... :cry: .

Cheers
Atchi

[Welder]

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[miniswift]

Hi,

You are doing same mistake as I did.
It won't fit in Mini.
Your exhaust manifold is farther forward than front panel of your Mini.
You will need to stand up your engine bit more.

It looks like yours is 15 degrees or so.
You need to make(aim) 5 degrees. trust me I have been there and made 3 attempts.

Good luck.
Atchi

[Welder]

HI Atchi

Thank you for your comment! I was thinking exactly the words you spoke. Today I will work on it again en I'll make the angle a bit les.
Hope that 'll work. I had some problems at the back, fitting the transmission in. Do not want the engine to touch the frame at any place.

Thanks a lot for your support!

[miniswift]

Hi,

You will have 2 problems with G13B build.

1. You need to change angle of engine how it sit in the subframe. It will cause following issues:-
a)The oil sump is really low and worry about hitting everything.... :? .
b)you cannot use OEM front engine mount.
c)your exhaust manifold will be touching front panel and it may catch fire...if you are using GRP :shock: .

2.Water pump pully will touch subframe tower. So you will need to cut out and close it again using fla plate to retain strength.

Otherwise, I think this engine is very compact and suits conversion very well. There are many after market parts for tuning and you can get 150 Bhp without not so much cost.

Cheers
Atchi

[Welder]

The last days were very hard to get the enginemounts in the right position.
I think I'm getting there...:
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-LCQ8YLDB.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-UQDCDP6F.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-6V84748N.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-TLO7EO4Z.jpg

The last one is a bit strubling, cause I can't lift the Engine out anymore :!:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-SRR7KMTP.jpg

Tomorrow is another day! Hope to finish the frame! :idea:

[Welder]

Build in all three of them. Tomorrow I want to make an extra Enginesteady of an original ministeady.

PICS:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-LBLRNJZT.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-RVENMVGS.jpg

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[Spiyda]

At this stage, before welding up the mounts, we tried fitting the subframe into the car, and adjusted the positions a little.

You might also want to think about your alternator mounting before you finish the front right engine mount.

Our build, and most of the ones I have seen, extend that mount outward to mount the alternator in a reversed position.

We used thicker metal for the engine mounts, but that doesn't mean that yours isn't strong enough, maybe ours are a bit too thick !

[Welder]

You are right. I've a location in mind for the Alternator. The Enginemounts can ben replaced if that will do it.
Today I'll finish the frame. I do not think I have time enough to fit in the mini.

[spNOam]

Hi Welder, I agree with Chris, have a look at the photos, this is how I sorted the alternator mount, uses a standard length alternator belt. Hope these help.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k63/spnoam/Andys/DSC02308.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k63/spnoam/Andys/DSC02306.jpg

[Welder]

Today I had to 'work' again so no Mini-time... :|

Took out the mini Engine this weekend. I am allmost ready to lift of my old subframe, trim the wings etc. After that my new build subframe will have a test fit. The mounting brakets I made are tacked in place, i have not welded in anything.
Still a bit concerned about the axhoust manyfold. Tilt the engine back to 5 degrees, but I am still not sure.

How low is your oilsump? Make sure you find an answer from an original point of the mini frame.

Thank you!

[miniswift]

Hi,

That was my concern, too.
So to make it better, I have cut and shut to make it lower.
http://www.16vminiclub.com/gallery/albums/userpics/oil_pan_side_web.jpg

I think it is about 35mm shorter than what used to be.
I need to measure how much less oil but it looks OK.

Cheers
Atchi

[Welder]

Hi Guys

Atchi your idea with the sump is good, but there are more parts that are on the same level of height. I first want to make the frame and an engine fit. After that the wiring, exhaust, clutch etc. Did you welded it TIG or MIG?

I am still looking for some answers that make clear how much space you have in height from an original minipoint to the end of the oilsump.

Can anybody post some pictures of their frame at the sumpside. Dit not have enough space to build a nice part.

:? 'help'

Yesterday I had a testfit under the minibonnet:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-RPVS7WUR.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-RXMC6LJI.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-PWELAWUL.jpg

[Spiyda]

We used a stick welder wound up to about 140 amps with 2.6mm rods to weld the subframe. We have a small mig welder mainly for bodywork and the penetration of the stick welder was better on the 3mm box section.

[miniswift]

Hi,

I got Snap on Mig with 130amp beast for welding my subframe.
You are making me worried again....
I might test fit engine block and see how far it stick out again.

If I do, I will take pic for you.

Cheers
Atchi

[Welder]

Aaargh... Almost done.... But......

A broken saw in my machine. Made a stupid mistake with my clamp and SLING,... Broken :|

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-YN3P6CCY.jpg

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But I made some progress at the Leftside of my frame:
At the front of the frame I made a sharp 90 angle. That will be made in two Angles of 45 Angle later.

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-VKBHYJON.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-ZZGG4VF4.jpg

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[Welder]

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http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-NKKU3NH4.jpg

As you can see it is almost in the mini. As I expected the engine must lift a few centimeters up. The transmission touches the steeringrack a bit, want that to make clear.
Not bad at all for a first fit! :!:

[Purtsi]

Looking good my friend 8)

[Welder]

Hi Guys,
Back in Business! In this period we want to lift up te engine. It was almost perfect but the oilpan was to low. I am scared for speedbumps then.

Already mada a hydraulic clutch and a new engine mount.

Will make some pics later!

[Welder]

Ok, has been a while I was here posting on the 16v Forum.
Have an other mini back on the road.

My subframe and enginemounting is done. I build a new subframe of round stronger tubes. Just a couple of small things to do before I can start Wiring. I will be using a Swift panel inside the car.

I want to use an original Swift fueltank in the back.

The mini body needs some serious panelwork. I 'll post some pics a.s.a.p.

Jasper, from the Netherlands.

[Welder]

Hi There!

Just changed some plans to make it a quicker progress. Bought a MPI/SPI mini fueltank. Have to keep something original in the mini. I still 've forgotten to make some pics. But have a picture of the subframe:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-4Q8DGXLK-D.jpg

You can see my engine mounting but these are the old 'try to fit' ones.

Already made new, much better ones.

Also picked up a JiG for the body. Somebody stopped his hobby and brought his mini to the junkyard:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-AXSH7YXP-D.jpg

Also bought connectors for wiring the swift cauges/clockpanel. Anybody made a list which connections to make? Already labeled the swiftloom....

For this period I have plenty of time to work on my mini.... I hope....
I'll Keep you guys informed.

[Mini3101]

Hi welder

Your project is looking great! Have you got some more picture and/or plans, information regarding the material to modify the subframe?

I am collating information to begin a similar project, so any information is appreciated...

[Spiyda]

For the height of the engine in the body, what we did was to set the ride height of the body first, put temporary driveshafts in (made from dowel) then sit the engine in the body so that the driveshafts were dead level.


Chris

[Welder]

Hi 16valvers and Mini3101 :-)

I'll make those pics asap. I am doing bodywork rightnow, I know the engine fits well.

when the bodywork and sanding is finished I'll fit my engine back in and show it to you.

To Mini3101
What kind of info do you want?

Gr. JASPER

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-AXZD4INB-D.jpg
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-JFRQQ8JF-D.jpg

[Mini3101]

Hi Welder

Any information regarding the tube size used, perhaps how you went about getting the engine height correct etc... would be appreciated.

Thanks

PS any pics of the your progress would also be appreciate :-)

[Dutchfellow]

Keep up the good work !

I want to build a 16v mini too, but for now I'm just looking for information.
Maybe I can come to you and have a look sometime ??
I live also in the Netherlands, near Tilburg.

Grtz

[Welder]

Hi Guys,

Had to find me a new garage. Want to build again now.
My machines are working again on 380V, but my new place is much smaller.
The bodywork is more than I mentioned.
Tried to find a new shell, but many mini's are too rusty...

Will post soon again!

Jasper

[speedy]

there is one on mp for 1500 euro.
the shell is ready to paint... they say:rolleyes:
its a innocenty...
http://link.marktplaats.nl/287646174

[Welder]

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-YNWAVMUX-D.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-3ANZI3TN-D.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-UPARZ4O4-D.jpg

Hi Guys,

My first body was too crispy. So I decided to search for an other better shell.
I really won the lottery with this one.
The floor is already done and painted. No welding anymore needed! Just sand it with a couple of friends, priming and spraying. After that the nice part starts!
With in two weeks U got the body to my garage. I have a holiday then of two weeks. Glad that X mass is in the weekend!

I can't wait!

[Purtsi]

That's one really nice looking shell :) Have fun on your holiday, we expect to see the finished Mini after that ;)

[speedy]

the devil shits allways on the same pile:rolleyes:
what did it cost ?

looks really well.... good find...:cool:

[Welder]

Hi Guys!
Now I have two weeks of, the weather is really bad! I want to go to the garage but the final km's are very-very bad.... a lot of snow and slippery roads and a lot of crashing cars... Don't want to be one of them...
So I decided to start with the Electrical system. Last evening I sorted out all the wiring of a standard 1000cc wiringloom. After checking everything I taped it all neat together. It looks great!
Now I am looking for a modern fusebox. I want the fuses and ECU in the car.

Next step is making 2 nice frames for my suzukiseats.
After that I can spray the inside car, I think I'll make it all the right colour... BLACK!

Also have a (n)ice pic. of my other Mini:
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-SX3OJ3BQ-D.jpg

[Welder]

Today I had some assistents wit me to sand down the shell. It was very nice untill we ran out of sanding paper. So we also worked on the spraycabin ;-) Only to spray the primer.
Tomorrow we want to spray the rear and both sides with primer. After that I want to work on the inside car.
My painter convinced me to make some other choices.

I have pics, but can't find my mobile cable!

[speedy]

he told you not to paint it black:rolleyes:

[DVO]

I thought this was a 16v forum not a how to rebuild and spray my car :rolleyes:

Dennis

[speedy]

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p thats funny.... your painting to:rolleyes:

[DVO]

Yes, the 16v subframe, not my car...:D

Dennis

[Welder]

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-DPBHBSXX-D.jpg

Today we made it to spray the body with primer. Looks very good and smooth,... the way we want it...
Want to grab some steel for the seetframes but those guys are ski-ing!:loser:

So next week I can buy something nice, not to heavey
:D

Also want to re-powdercoat my rear subframe.. I will bring a new update soon!

Welder!

[speedy]

what did the painter tell you?????

[Welder]

Exactly what you guessed!

The roof ánd the inside of the car the same colour! NICE!

[speedy]

what colour is going to be now???

[Welder]

Gecko Green:

https://www.media.volvocars.com/media/images/low/16763_1_5.aspx

Roof and inside car Cosmic White:

http://webmotors.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/volvo-c30-front-quarter-cosmic-white.jpg

[speedy]

could work out really nice....:cool:

[Welder]

''could"

You mean...

''will"....

[speedy]

i'm more a uni colour kind of guy...
so for me its could... but its a very nice colour,and with white it will
match very nice.

[DVO]

Future garagesleeper with a nice blanket over it to protect it. Only coming out when dry and over 20 degrees :cool:

Dennis

[speedy]

:D:D

[Welder]

yes, that's what it will be...
Only killing johny-golfjes on a midsummernight!

[speedy]

then you will need a second one ,
to feed the hunger the rest of the year.:twisted:

[Welder]

This evening I have been working on two seatframes. I made the same type of frame I have in my standard Mini with Swift seats.

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-SCP8MM8L-D.jpg

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-WE6IG4ZX-D.jpg

Saturdag I have an other complete day to work!

I also ordered a gearbox of a Suzuki 13oocc Standard. I want to drive 10 inch wheels.
Speedy also offered me to fix my wire-ing. That is great!