MGF front sub frame

I have been told that the MGF front subframe is identical to the one used on the MPI Metro's. Is this correct?

Thanks

Mini Moder

[Geehawk]

Dont know about identical, but near as dammit.

Both front and rear are as near as damnit. (front MPi Metro subframes)

[Picadilly]

So if the MGF rear subby (which holds the engine) is a metro item then which way round does it sit - same way as a metro or back to front?

What gearbox does the MGF use - cos surely using a metro box would mean either 5 reverse gears and one forward or the gearstick in the boot??!!

Im liking the idea of a mid engined RWD mini bodied MGF project..... :lol:

[Geehawk]

The egine in a MGF sits exactly the same way round as in a Metro. Just think of the frame moved back 12ft.

The MGF uses a PG1 gearbox, but this really has no bearing on the matter, the gearshift mechanism is designed to go forwards rather than backwards, the gearbox stays the same.... :roll:

Are you sure you are up to this???

[Picadilly]

Ah, now it makes sense. I imagine its the gear linkage thats different?
And the clutch and accelorator cable will need lengthening too?

As for am I upto this, if i sat and thought long and hard about it, probably not - im sure i could convince myself to give up. Its totally trial and error tho, i'm giving it a go and learning from my mistakes.

As far as I can see mounting a frame in the back will be easier than modifying one to fit the front of the car, I can bolt the engine into the car and play with a bespoke linkage when everything is in place. If its the same way round, i can use the metro suspension set-up with inboard springs instead of hydro units, match these to inboard springs on the mini front subby - or even fit coil overs.

What could be simpler than that?!! :? :wink:

[Geehawk]

:lol:

[Picadilly]

Whats funny?! I need advice, not mockery.

What type of linkage does the F have? Would I be correct in thinking the mgf has a honda box but the 1.4 k16 had peugeot boxes? Could a mgf linkage be used?

I'm just playing with ideas here, planning and experimenting. I'm confident i can mount the engine and subby in the back, its just the gear linkage, clutch cable and accelerator cable that are causing head scratching.

[Geehawk]

What could be simpler than that?!! :? :wink:

I was assuming the above was said as a lighthearted joke, hence the :lol: . I was hardly mocking :roll:

Anyway.....


As far a gear linkage, clutch cable and throttle cable go then I would have thought the easiest choice would be to use the MGF items. The cables might be a bit long, not a problem I would have thought, and the selector might need adjusting to get its fore/aft positioning correct, but its got to be the easiest way to do it.

[Picadilly]

Ooh, I apologise... bad day. People keep telling me i can't do it - i get kinda self defensive - no hard feelings - boy do i feel sheepish :oops:

I assumed i'd used mgf parts, just thought it was worth checking thats all. Erm, i might be over simplifying things again but if i just need mgf items then things seem pretty straight forward.

One other thing, if i mount the radiator in the front would it be best to route the hoses inside or outside of the car.

I'm pretty confident now - i found a feature in an old mini mag of a rear engined ford CVH RS Turbo'd mini - thats got to be harder than this surely?

Lol, had the :lol: been an expression of mockery i share the sentiment now....

[Geehawk]

I reckon that the cooling hoses would be best run inside the car, just from a space point of view. Although that said, your exhaust tunnel will be pretty empty with the engine at the rear.

Just a couple of other things you might care to think about.

Fuel tank.
Rear brakes/handbrake.
Wiring

If you are planning on using Mini front frame & MGF/Metro rear frame there will be a large difference in the front and rear track. This is sorted by spacers when the front is wider than the rear, but that is not an option for the steering wheels, using Mini suspension.

To reduce many of the problems then the complete rear end from an MGF would be a good starting point. Dont know how much that would cost mind you ????

[evolotion]

track at the front could be solved with a MG fron tframe, rear brakes/handbrake wiht a completel rear MG floorpan and frame. so find a mini with a rotten floor :) shouldnt be to hard. then simply :P weld the mini shell onto the MG floor.

[Picadilly]

The way round the track problem is a metro front subby - which could just aswell be holding the engine....

Thus also solving the rear brake and hand brake problem. Perhaps its time to start being realistic.... :roll:

[BassAddict]

Why not the metro frame and engine in the front, and the MGF frame at the back, with another engine - seems there's frames designed to take the same engine for both front and rear drive - its begging to be a k-series twinny !!!
Just my 2p worth :lol: !!!!
Rich

[Oz]

Why not the metro frame and engine in the front, and the MGF frame at the back, with another engine - seems there's frames designed to take the same engine for both front and rear drive - its begging to be a k-series twinny !!!
Just my 2p worth :lol: !!!!
Rich

I had similar thoughts !!! :lol: :lol: