C16SE MONKEY MINI

[getthewheelsinline]

hi all,

Just thought I'd post a link to my 1.6l 8v MPI powered mini:

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/c16se/Image110.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/c16se/Image112.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/c16se/Image114.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/c16se/Image099.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk - C16SE Mini

Any comments/suggestions welcome :O)

Callum

EDIT - 26.11.08: Updated some current pictures!

[BassAddict]

Some v nice pictures on yer site :) Looks like a very tidy install 8)
Rich

[mooncat]

Is this the one that was on Ebay a few weeks ago........

[getthewheelsinline]

Rich,

Thanks for you comments.

Mooncat,

Yes - I bought this as an unfinished project & now just trying to complete the build and tidy things up a tad!

monkeyman

[Allan McD]

That Mooncat he dont miss much :wink:
He must keep his ear to the ground all the time.

[mooncat]

See all Evil Speak all Evil Hear all Evil..... Muuuhawahahaha..!!!! :twisted: :lol:

[getthewheelsinline]

Mince camera picture....will upload some better ones!!!

http://file043b.bebo.com/6/large/2008/05/17/23/1802430504a7763884418l.jpg

Not updated in a while...but passed MOT today first time....just in time for the Scottish Mini Clan Thistle Run this Sunday...MONKEYS!!!

[jiminwatford]

Excellent! get some pics up!

[bodgeit]

Not updated in a while...but passed MOT today first time....just in time for the Scottish Mini Clan Thistle Run this Sunday...MONKEYS!!!
wish i could get an mot with no wheels! :lol: :oops:

nice one :D looks a nice car

[Allan McD]

You can get anything in Scotland MOT's with no wheels mail order :lol:
Allan

[getthewheelsinline]

Thanks guys!!

Got her MOT'd on the Monday, Insured on the Wednesday, Tax'd on the Friday - then the Clutch started playing up on the Satarday....so never made the Thistle Run in a mini :( tagged along on the run in my type R!! :oops:

Some pics I took mid project:

http://file027b.bebo.com/2/large/2007/01/06/23/1802430504a3105734384b972639160l.jpg

http://file027b.bebo.com/15/large/2007/01/06/23/1802430504a3105705079b654648789l.jpg

Going to get her clutch pedal adjusted at the weekend - not enough thro in the pedal to fully disengage then engage!! I will get some updated pics when she is out :)

Callum

[garyshoose]

What's this "she" mince. Mini's are all boys :!: :lol:

[getthewheelsinline]

Used to be a male....not anymore....mine had a sex change when i dumped a vaux engine in :wink:

[getthewheelsinline]

Not updated in a while!!

Been doing some work on my c16se mini recently!!

Modified my harness bar – also going to add in some 6mm harness guides for the passengers belt as well (next week!!)

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.19/IMG_4773.jpg

Also cut out the rear seat belt mounts from an other mini I have – and welded these in so I have mounting points for my front harnesses!!

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.19/IMG_4787.jpg

Decided to strengthen the rear suspension points by adding some CDS tubing from the turret to the rear rollcage – had a look at Dowz thread and it seamed like a good idea!!

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.21%20Small//IMG_4816.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.19/IMG_4807.jpg

Upgraded my clutch from allspeed cable adaptor & cable to a mini master cylinder(MC) and wildwood pull slave cylinder(SC) as I was never happy with the clutch set-up!!

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.21%20Small//IMG_4819.jpg

Hooked it up today to the MC with a temp pipe, bleed then tested but am having issues with the SC not moving enough!! When depressing the pedal I only can achieve 23mm of travel on the SC before my foot hit the floor!! I removed the MC as I was interested to see what the pedal was limiting me to and depressed this MC fully and managed to get 28mm of movement on the SC. I really was hoping for around 35>40mm! So I am looking at getting a larger bore MC – is there a mini upgrade with greater than a 0.75”???
I know I could start to modify the pivot point on the clutch pedal – but would like to see any other options available!!
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

After messing around with the clutch for too long I moved onto start making up my fiberglass dash that I acquired from eBay!

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.21%20Small//IMG_4829.jpg

Acewell 3994, Savage Switches & a start switch.

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.21%20Small//IMG_4833.jpg

Not sure what my final finish on the dash is going to be…that’s one I need to think about!! Needs some trimming to clear my front roll cage….(on next weeks task list!!)

Really need to find a decent solution to this clutch issue - answers on a postcard please………

Monkeyman!!

[pob]

Move the attachement point closer to the pivot point to a position where 28mm moves the end where it is currently attached a distance of 40mm.

or

buy a gearbox with all the hydraulic bits already in it.

[MattG]

you should have just used the vauxhall internal slave cylinder , works a treat with the mini master.

Matt

[getthewheelsinline]

Thanks pob! Had thought of moving the clutch arm pivot point....think that will be the best option if it works! Going to give that a go tomorrow & will let you know how things go!!

Failing that I will need to bite the bullet and go for a vaux internal slave cylinder! If I need to remove the engine/box to split I will probably source a F13W gearbox with internal slave and fit that!

Cal

[Adam Gardner]

Has anyone looked at the daewoo clutch slave cykinder set up? It uses an external slave working on a kind of reversed clutch arm, exactly the same boxes as vauxhall and all bolts on the front.

[getthewheelsinline]

Finished modifying my harness bar – added some 6mm round bar for the passengers seat harness as well!

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.25%20small/IMG_4858.jpg

Then fitted up the rear interior & the driver’s front seat and harness:

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.25%20small/IMG_4860.jpg

Modified the clutch arm by reducing it by 40mm….

Refitted the petrol tank, battery and started her up!! Adjusted the clutch then tried driving and it was ok driving back and forward on the ramp :D

The real test will be when I clear the entrance to the garage and take her a spin – hopefully this afternoon!

Then it’s onto the dash – going to replace the lower dash rail and change it for some CDS tubing then fit the fibreglass dash. After that its onto wiring up the dash and then going to tidy up ALL the wiring and mount the ECU etc…so that should keep me busy!! 8)

Callum

[MattG]

i noticed you mounted the clutch slave to the subframe , dont forget if the engine moves this will make the clutch lever move ....

Matt

[2lrMiniVan]

i have got the same willwood slave clyinder will have a look tomorrow to see what master i have got.
also have u monted it the wrong way round as the main body with the pipe going to it will move so it needs a flexey pipe to it.i have mine mounted the other way round.

[getthewheelsinline]

Had a wee spin today and the clutch seems to be doing the job - much better!! :)

i noticed you mounted the clutch slave to the subframe , dont forget if the engine moves this will make the clutch lever move ....


Fair Point Matt!! - I will monitor this & see if the rear mounts needs re:positioning!

also have u monted it the wrong way round as the main body with the pipe going to it will move so it needs a flexey pipe to it.i have mine mounted the other way round.

2lrMiniVan - Yeah I just made-up the hard pipe to test! I plan to install a braided flex now that I know it works!! The body of the cylinder does move when the clutch is pressed. I wasnt sure if the thread on the adjustment side of the cylidner (5/16" - 24) was the same as the thread on the spherical jointed end!! I'll have a look at this tomorrow and swap it round if it is!!

http://www.wilwood.com/Products/006-MasterCylinders/011-SC/clutchslavedwg.gif

Removed the front roll cage today to start fitting my dashboard! This should give me acess to remove the lower dash rail and add in some CDS tubing shapped to my new dash...out comes the tube bender tomorrow!!

Thanks again for your comments,

Callum

[getthewheelsinline]

Got the lower dash rail cut out & the new CDS 38mm tube bent and welded in!

Trial fitted my fiberglass dash:

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/2008.11.28%20small/IMG_4865.jpg

Just need to sort out the dash fixings points then I can re-install the font roll cage. Plan to get my Acewell dash fitted & wired this week along with my other switches!

Callum

[getthewheelsinline]

Done some more work recently!! 8)

Started fitting the savage switches - crimped terminals then heat shrunk;
Just got the fan switch and the hazards to finish!
http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/IMG_4980.jpg


Moved onto tiding the wiring in the engine bay - looking slightly better! :)
http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/IMG_5001.jpg

Have decided to install 7 pin trailer connection on the inner wings for my removable front wiring - all connected up now. Just need to complete the wiring on the front end:

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/IMG_5012.jpg

Bought some braided goodridge brake & clutch hose & fittings from rally design and changed my clutch hose and all the front brake hoses, also got a brake master cylinder cap & wiried this to my acewell failure light!:

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/IMG_5027.jpg

Got some more samco hoses & fittings to re-do the cooling hoses at the rear of the engine - all now completed & installed! :D

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/IMG_5028.jpg

Stripped both front hubs off the car to redo the ball joints - so will get these done this week!!

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/Mini/IMG_5035.jpg

Hopefully going to get most of my outstanding tasks completed over the holidays...if my wife lets me...ha!! :D

Also lost my platinum wedding ring last week...found it on the garage floor today :oops:

Oh and Merry Christmas all - Hope you enjoy yourselves!!

callum

[getthewheelsinline]

Rebuilt back up and had a test drive yestarday; few things i need to address before next weekend drive to Bingley Hall - nothing too major!! Anyway - some pics when I was out:

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5445.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5442.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5446.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5447.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5448.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5450.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5457.jpg

http://www.minis4monkeys.co.uk/images/IMG_5463.jpg

Callum

[pritch]

fair play scotland to bingley hall is a bloody long way in a mini!
very nicely done, congrats!

[player14]

looks really well mate. how did you attach the plug to the wing for the wiring?

[getthewheelsinline]

Thanks!!

Peter - I rewired the front electrics. And then put the wiring in 12mm convoluted tubing. I used the fixing screws from the arch to secure the tubing by using cable tie mounts and some cable ties! Seems to work a treat!!

Managed to sort out my Acewell speedo issue - had to re-mount the reed switch. Sorted now!!:)

Just remembered I was having an issue with my alternator light on the acewell!! When i turn the ignition on the light comes on bright - as soon as the engine is running the light dims but does not go out fully! Anyone experienced this?

Callum

[MINIMAD30]

Hi there, the mini is looking great!

you are the only other person other than evolution that iv seen on here that stays relatively close to me lol i stay in Livingston. my m8 is just started his project and is considering a vauxhall engine and im doing the frame. Would be great to see your mini close up some time :D

[getthewheelsinline]

Hi Guys!! After keeping the mini locked up while I was away travelling the globe for 8 months I have decided to get things developing on the mini front again!!

Managed to get hold of a F13 diesil gearbox with internal slave. Was never 100% happy with the wilwood external slave setup.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/clutch1.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/clutch2.jpg
After discussions with the seller he managed to locate the V fitting (with bleed nipple) and hose.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/clutchvfittingpipe.jpg
So the plan is to remove the front end & split the engine / gearbox to swap this in this weekend.

I have also bought another rear beam as the homemade effort by the previous owner is not too smart!! So thats a task I will do when Im stripping the mini into bits anyway!!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/rearbeam.jpg

Also got my insurance renewed for a decent price - so thats the push to get it back on the road!!

Monkeys!!

[garyshoose]

Wow...Long time no post. Good to see your still at it :cool:

[getthewheelsinline]

Well managed to spend the morning in the garage - got everything stripped ready for lifting.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/reardyforlifting.jpg

Then lifted out - just need to split the box.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/engineout.jpg

Just powerwashed the gearbox to get the majority of crude off. & quick spash with Gunk. Not sure I can be bothered spending the hours cleaning the gearboox / engine to a quality that paint will adhere to...... Never going to be a concours mini as it will be a daily driver anyway.

Unless someone has a better idea - that makes cleaning them not as time consuming?!??

Thanks, Callum

[garyshoose]

Pointless really as it only takes two outings and they're caked again :rolleyes:

[getthewheelsinline]

We'll the clutch saga continues....

I split the Engine / Gearbox to find the Clutch driven plate has been installed back to front by the previous owner resulting in wear to the cushioning springs & flywheel retaining bolts!! I thought it was the release bearing on the way out!! Pictures Below:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/GetAttachment-1.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/GetAttachment-2.jpg

Obviously I wish to replace the clutch but I am unsure as to which c16se clutch kit to purchase as apparently there are two options depending on engine number.

Am I right in thinking the engine number on the C16se should be stamped along the engine / gearbox joint @ the front of the block? I have looked but with out success!!
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/GetAttachment.jpg

Does any one know what clutch kit code I require? As with no Reg Number or Engine Number I am unsure!!

Thanks,

Callum

[MattG]

i "think" the difference is in the fly wheel , potted or not .. you look like you have a potted flywheel.

Matt

[garyshoose]

Do you not have a freinly motor factor who will accept one back if you initially pay for both?

[MattG]

or just take your old one allong (assuming it is the correct one as the guy stuck it on backwards for a reason ! )

and compare before walking out the shop

Matt

[getthewheelsinline]

i "think" the difference is in the fly wheel , potted or not .. you look like you have a potted flywheel.

Matt

Thanks Guys.

Matt, You are correct - I have the Pot-Type flywheel.

I dont have any confidence in the previous owners work - not to mention his parts selection.

May have to purchase both kits then take one back.

Cal

[MattG]

as i said , take it with you , most good motor factors will order both up , check when they arrive and sell you the correct one . well mine does anyway :)

Matt

[evolotion]

if you can be arsed coming all the way to motherwell i'll order both for you lol .. you could also take your flywheel into the factors ;)

[MINI ME]

Hi there. just looking through your build.. very nice! was wondering did you get the fibreglass smooth boot or make your own with the original?

[getthewheelsinline]

Mini_Me, Thanks - the boot is the orginal steel item.

Update 07/June.

Managed to get a clutch kit to suit my potted flywheel.

Removed the subframe & suspension components to get these sand blasted and painted while everything is stripped anyway! My younger sister has said she will clean & paint my engine & gearbox while it's out!!

Picked up some other parts for the c16se inc a Janspeed 4 branch exhaust manifold - so going to see if this is a better setup than the standard 1.4l standard item.

The wide ratio F13 diesel box with the internal slave that I am fitting has a 3.74 final drive. I also obtained a F13W with a 4.18 final drive.

My mini has 12 inch wheels and will be used as an everyday car - based on this should I just stick with the 3.74 FD?

Thanks,

Callum

[getthewheelsinline]

Update 20/June

Well got my engine & gearbox painted over the weekend after my sister had finished cleaning & degreasing them!!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/mini3.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/mini2.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/mini1.jpg

My F13W gearbox with 3.74FD & hydraulic internal clutch slave.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/mini5.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/mini4.jpg

Managed to get Monday & Tuesday off work to work on the mini between other jobs. This should mean I can get the new clutch fitted tomorrow & get the engine and box back together. Plan to get the subframe & suspension components painted tomorrow allowing me to get everything built back up ready for refitting to the shell!

Callum

[jayare]

The wide ratio F13 diesel box with the internal slave that I am fitting has a 3.74 final drive. I also obtained a F13W with a 4.18 final drive.

My mini has 12 inch wheels and will be used as an everyday car - based on this should I just stick with the 3.74 FD?

Thanks,

Callum

Have a look at this gear ratio calculator (http://www.fatboyraceworks.com/gears/index.php?MaxRPM=4000&TireDiameter=19.09&GearRatio1=3.55&GearRatio2=2.24&GearRatio3=1.48&GearRatio4=1.12&GearRatio5=0.89&GearRatio6=&FinalDrive=3.74&TireWidth=165&TireAspect=70&RimDiameter=10&MaxRPM_2=3500&TireDiameter_2=19.09&GearRatio1_2=3.73&GearRatio2_2=1.96&GearRatio3_2=1.31&GearRatio4_2=0.95&GearRatio5_2=0.76&GearRatio6_2=&FinalDrive_2=3.55&TireWidth_2=165&TireAspect_2=70&RimDiameter_2=10&Calculate=Calculate%2FGraph&Compare=1) to see the effect of different ratios and FD's. The link is set up with F17CR/3.74:1 as transmission 1 and F17WR/3.55:1 as transmission 2 with 10" wheels. You can also select the redline RPM (I chose different revs to try to see the effect of the different ratios on cruising.

If you aren't sure on the ratios for your gearbox(es), you can find them here (http://www.opel-infos.de/getriebe/f13plus.html).

JR

[getthewheelsinline]

Thanks for the links JR.

Ran the ratios / RPM / tyre combination. I am going to stick with the F13W with 3.74 FD ; should give me 70MPH @ just below 3500rpm.


http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/GearboxGearing.jpg

Managed to get the frame & mounts etc sandblasted, primed & painted today.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/mini1-1.jpg

Got the clutch fitted then installed the gearbox. Also sandblasted & painted the exhaust manifold & managed to get this fitted.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/mini2-1.jpg

Should get the engine back into the frame tomorrow. Going to upgrade the alternator mount / tensioner.

Callum

[Mini Vlatko]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o275/zarasdancing/GearboxGearing.jpg

Where can I get this program?
I'm in the middle of prsuit of right GB for me :)
That's one nice looking engine BTW! ;)

[getthewheelsinline]

Thanks Mate,

Gear Ratio Calculator - click here!! (http://www.fatboyraceworks.com/gears/index.php?MaxRPM=4000&TireDiameter=19.09&GearRatio1=3.55&GearRatio2=2.24&GearRatio3=1.48&GearRatio4=1.12&GearRatio5=0.89&GearRatio6=&FinalDrive=3.74&TireWidth=165&TireAspect=70&RimDiameter=10&MaxRPM_2=3500&TireDiameter_2=19.09&GearRatio1_2=3.73&GearRatio2_2=1.96&GearRatio3_2=1.31&GearRatio4_2=0.95&GearRatio5_2=0.76&GearRatio6_2=&FinalDrive_2=3.55&TireWidth_2=165&TireAspect_2=70&RimDiameter_2=10&Calculate=Calculate%2FGraph&Compare=1)

Callum

[Mini Vlatko]

Cheers

[jason911]

good

[jason911]

Terrific impressive, A good worship you I really

[getthewheelsinline]

Update: 19/May/2012

First text drive after rebuild and not driven since 2009!!
New clutch and OEM clutch slave working a treat with the F13WR box!!!

Short video with my old man driving:
http://youtu.be/NdYjuvJn-oI

MOT booked for Monday.... Still got a few things to sort out tomorrow... but should get there!!
Already insured, just tax to get after MOT and then I'm ready for the Mini Clan Thistle Run on the 3rd of June!! :D

[richie08]

Good stuff... see you at the thistle run then :D

[getthewheelsinline]

MOT'd & Taxed yesterday!! Need to change front discs & pads, heater matrix, fabricate permanent washer bottle mount, suspension setup and a few other things to tidy up!! Some pics in the sun...

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