d16z6 na mini

[k20/k24 allmotor]

so i just want to share a lil bit on my build. see what u think. My build with aggressive cams that i put together , stiill needs a lil bit items to be sorted but she runs and turns on. She should be o a dyno soon. :twisted:

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/newhose3.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/newhose6.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/newhose1.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_0437.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_0633.jpg

[MINIMAD30]

Looks good! More pics of the cooling pipes if you could? And the inlet, what cam have you used?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

bisimoto cam and high comp pistons.

[g7gno]

nice bodies ;0 i see you have put a bent on the inlet i was thinking of making up somthing of the same lines just to get more air round back of them good i idea like it, what you think of the obx set up alot of people think there poor but for the cash i was impresed with mine prity poor port match tho i opened them out abit ha.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

I like the ITB, when i first got them, i just readjusted every single componet on them.it worked fined with the stock ecu but i got a s300 to tune it. I end up polishing the inside just to remove the casting. I didnt want to open it up, just to get the velocity of the air.

[wilp99]

very nice build. get it to the dyno. i want to go for a ride in it.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

sh!t you can drive it wil.

[Kam]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/newhose6.jpg

Probably just the picture (or maybe not!) but them itb's look freckin hoooooooge! You could suck up pedestrians if your not careful :lol:

Maybe I'm just too used to seeing them on b rocker covers but they do look big, what size are they?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

45mm. U are right and that is y I made the runner longer to speed up the air. :)

[MINIMAD30]

Where did you get ur engine mounts?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

eBay.com. $180ship use all three honda mount, worked great.

[Kam]

I made the runner longer to speed up the air. :)

Does having the itb's angled like that make a difference? I know some people reckon on a normal inlet which has been cut and hoses used (mtb frame) it can hamper the performance

I always thought itb's are all about having them as straight as poss?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

you are right, about the angle of entry and how it effects the performance. i came up with the idea from a old school rx7 set up from racingbee the idea came from gravity feed increasing the distance for cooling the manifold and increasing fuel atomizing the fuel. its all in thoery i have seen improvement on the old setup soi figure why not give it a try. only time will tell.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=downdraft+webber+rx7&view=detail&id=28A692C7BC5029FEF7EABCA4967812E7F67D2DFE&first=0&FORM=IDFRIR

[Kam]

Its not the gravity feed here though is it, its the break in the flow, I mean the angle that the flow has to travel, I'm sure on inlets although they are angled its still to get it as straight as possible (like on exhaust manifolds) but yours is using more gravity (longer runner) but the angle is still sharp (sorry don't know the technical term!) :lol: so you got more force (gravity) heading towards a tight bend

I'm not sure how this affects performance though, would that be top end or just not having a crisp throttle response as it should feel, probably negligible?

I agree though that this is all new stuff so why not try it :cool:

[k20/k24 allmotor]

the angle is not that sharp,

[k20/k24 allmotor]

kam
you well see after you get to know me I have a lot of crazy idea but they all work out. lol

[Kam]

Your putting a honda engine in a mini, crazy went out the window a loooooooong time ago :lol:

[longlivekel]

you extending the front?
that header is out there.
Id like to see the BHP too :P

[k20/k24 allmotor]

yes on the extending front end.
the hp will be up soon. :) as soon as I get it on the dyno.

[wilp99]

u even type like ur from new york..

its only about 1.5" of a 45 deg angle. it makes sennse when you see it in person. i think the angle is as minimal as you can get it. if it looses power because of it id be surprised. but, id bet money this thing puts out shit tons more power than it looks. and being a single cam it wont be so agressive. cant wait for the dyno day.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Lol that NYC education for you!! :)

[k20/k24 allmotor]

update

alternator all done
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_1080.jpg

new shift knob in. it added 10 more hp to the car:)
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_1083.jpg

and wired in my new wideband.

[wilp99]

nice bracket. can u make me one?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

yes sir!

[Kam]

Looks like a 3 speed going by that knob!

[k20/k24 allmotor]

The shocker, two in the pink and one in the stink.lol

[k20/k24 allmotor]

just finish the dash wiring and instill the dash:)

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_1129.jpg

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_1127.jpg

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_1133.jpg

[wilp99]

awwwe snap. hows about that test ride?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

today.

[eeae6000]

your lower arm seems really close to that pulley

[k20/k24 allmotor]

i know. i just made up some with a bend like the one that come with the allspeed frame. thanks

[k20/k24 allmotor]

test run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_yGpq-n-kk&feature=youtu.be

[kcchan]

Make sure you got a good hold of your camera, those ITB's will be sucking it outta your hands and you'll probably lose it down one of them ;)

[k20/k24 allmotor]

lol thanks mate. i love this thing. can wait to get it dyno tune.

[wilp99]

nice.. sounds good.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

thanks Will and all your help.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

waiting in the garge for it's dyno day.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/frontsidemini.jpg

[Kam]

Awesome work alvis, it seems like you've done this in just a few days :cool:

I do love the way the belt runs through the timing belt cover! :lol:

Top work, can't wait to see the figures

[Thunderchild]

Hey. Have you or are you going to extend the front of your build? Could you post a picture if you have one with the front on your mini?

I'm doing pretty much what your doing and I'm very interested to see how your mini is turning out.

Looks good so far.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Well the car is going to the dyno on 25th. After that the car is go to the body shop. I have both stander and extended front end so I'll let the body shop do that. Because of the alternator stic out 40mm I think the extended one would work better. But that one give me room for a better header.

Will post pic of the front end soon. Sorry!

[Thunderchild]

Sounds exciting. Look forward to it.

[Milko]

How did mapping go?

[billing5]

hi mate your build is looking awsome, got a question though if you dont mind, how much can you raise compression on d16 non vtec by skiming the head, and what cam would you recomend for the road dont mind slightly lumpy idle.
will be running megajolt and cbr bike carbs :D thanks

[k20/k24 allmotor]

alright guys just got back from the dyno and these are the results 143 wheel hp and 168bhp at the flywheel I'm really happy with it the power didnt drop off until 7400 rpm i took it out for a run with the tranny that I have now, came out of a d15z3. This tranny has a 3.722 final drive so its pretty tall lets say i have no traction in 1st and 2nd. and now Im going to bulid a tranny with all the tranny that i have laying around.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

hi mate your build is looking awsome, got a question though if you dont mind, how much can you raise compression on d16 non vtec by skiming the head, and what cam would you recomend for the road dont mind slightly lumpy idle.
will be running megajolt and cbr bike carbs :D thanks

bisimoto is the man on non-vtec and i love his cam so level 2 would be for you. on the comp you can go up .030 is one point so if you start 10.8 you would have 11.8.

[longlivekel]

is that a alloy mini radiator??
how is that working out for you?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

had no problem with it on the dyno today and it Was on the dyno for 4hr. the temp stayed at 219 (f).

[billing5]

ok thanks, and congrats on the figures you must be well pleased :p
ok so if the stock comp is 9.2 i could skim off 0.30 [asuming it hasent been skimed before] and have 10.2 hope thats right.:lol:

[longlivekel]

219?
that kinda high?
stock is at 185 i believe.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

dyno video

http://youtu.be/RU5_5T_IEKs

[k20/k24 allmotor]

ok thanks, and congrats on the figures you must be well pleased :p
ok so if the stock comp is 9.2 i could skim off 0.30 [asuming it hasent been skimed before] and have 10.2 hope thats right.:lol:
yes

[wilp99]

noiiice. sounds good on the comp speakers. cant wait to go for a joy ride.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

219?
that kinda high?
stock is at 185 i believe.

yes but that on alot of wide open runs.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

itbs at work on the dyno

http://youtu.be/a2h0sHaNifA

[billing5]

how bad is the tranny on the road, is 1st usable and will it cruse at 70?
going to use this final drive on mine with 13 inch rims, though i will running 140 ish hp at flywheel hopefully :cool:

[k20/k24 allmotor]

I Think a 3.722 Would be great for your set up.

[monkey]

Great work, good to see it up and running so quick!

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Thanks

[eeae6000]

do you manually open your itbs?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

No, open It with the foot padel like stock.

[Kam]

do you manually open your itbs?

No, open It with the foot padel like stock.

FPMSL! Sounds like you two are taking the p!ss out of one another? :lol:

I thought you was gonna say you hold a long bendy stick out the window and operate them that way when on the move :lol:

Nice runs btw enjoyed that

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Thanks Alot Kam :)

[eeae6000]

looks weird, like when they open up its deylayed for the fuel to spray in, maybe its just the video?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

No the tunner was doing his thing, he would hold it at 3000rpm at full throttle for a second.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Now that I know the power of the motor I put together a tranny for it and it going in this weekend.

[longlivekel]

Just curious..
What did you choose to use for a tranny? or what did you build?

Post the ratios if you can.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

ok this is what i went with. a close gear ratio with lsd. rev limit is 8200.

1st 3.25
2st 1.90
3st 1.346
4st 1.033
5st 0.878

fd 3.722

[VT-Doo]

What gearbox is that? The ratios closely look like the S9B or are they custom?
If it is a S9B from a MB6 then on R13/175/50 you'll end up with these speeds at 8200rpm...

FD:3.722
1st: 40.4mph
2nd: 68.6mph
3rd: 95.9mph
4th: 126.1mph
5th: 153.8mph
Reverse: 43.5mph LOL

Cruising speed of 70mph = 3732rpm


***EDIT***

Just realised you're using a baby VTEC engine so I'm totally off on what I just said, however the figures are still right.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

This is three tranny in one si/ zc dohc/ vei.

[wilp99]

i actually had mine running for one day (then spun a bearing... doh :sad:) but, while it was running for that glorious day i did a run with my s9b (std gearing) using 3.7 fd, and at 80 i was at exactly 4k rpm (was at 5200 before). was really nice to drive, and boy were the gears long, which made the car totally controllable as it spread the powerband across the rpm's... cant wait for round 2 with a new motor, so i can hopefully drive it for more than one day :lol:

[k20/k24 allmotor]

I have bin thinking to just rev it to 7800rpm because the power start to fall off at 7400rpm.

[Kam]

I don't think your gonna 'kill' many cars with an extra 400rpm that end on the road, strip maybe but road nah

Now that I know the power of the motor I put together a tranny for it and it going in this weekend.

I'm really happy and glad you do but we don't, you never answered? Whats the magic number :lol:

[k20/k24 allmotor]

I don't think your gonna 'kill' many cars with an extra 400rpm that end on the road, strip maybe but road nah



I'm really happy and glad you do but we don't, you never answered? Whats the magic number :lol:
yes i did. think you miss it.lol (see pg3)

168bhp at the flywheel and 143.9hp to the wheel B16 power out of a d16. the car is tuned to 8200rpm but the power goes flat at 7400rpm.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/430343_279436538787339_100001629868747_764891_9902 33143_n.jpg

[Kam]

apologies Alvis, I'm running before I can walk here....ok let me try that again

Holy fuc!in sheeeeeet! b16 power from a D! Top drawer! :cool:

How is it with your gearing so far?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

haven't had a chance to drive it sorry but car go to the bodyshope next weekend.

[Thunderchild]

That's freaking awesome man. I'm looking for a engine like yours but in New Zealand they're proving to be hard to find.

Loving your build.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

thanks mate.

[Furyof4]

Great power for your setup! Too many people underestimate these little engines.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Great power for your setup! Too many people underestimate these little engines.

yeah it very simple built i use to mess with these lil motors back in the 90's so i know a lil tricks here and there to get power out of them. thanks mate.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

To help people out with the tranny and d-series. The best tranny I see in stock forum is the 92-95civic vei, I open one up and they are just like d16z6 tranny but with 3.722 fd. So if you don't want to mess with the tranny this is the one for you.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

just what to share a car i put together for a friend. f20b motor B-series tranny made 206 to the wheel and 235 to the fly.
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/h2bcivic.jpg

[billing5]

looks sweet mate, that header looks mean :cool:

[k20/k24 allmotor]

yes, it a bisimoto header. how the sohc going?

[billing5]

its going good mate thanks, doing the mounts at the moment and have the alternator fixed up, wiring then :(
How is your gearbox now mate, whats it drive like. is the vei common in the uk as never heard of it till now. that box sounds mint :D

[k20/k24 allmotor]

the car is in the bodyshop right now so i have not drove it yet. the vei is the 92-95 d15z1 civic eg and yes, call findapart or findapart.co.uk. it s20 but p20 A0000 small bearing case.

[billing5]

ok sweet, think its the box for me. got to love the d, off the shelf mini friendly gearboxes :lol:

[andyfkettle]

To help people out with the tranny and d-series. The best tranny I see in stock forum is the 92-95civic vei, I open one up and they are just like d16z6 tranny but with 3.722 fd. So if you don't want to mess with the tranny this is the one for you.

That's good to know. Doing two z6 conversions myself. Isnt the s20 but p20 A0000 small bearing case supposed to be weak and prone to failing? You better off putting the 3.772 fd I'm an z6 box? Suppose your right if you don't fancy stripping a box down though!

[Furyof4]

That's good to know. Doing two z6 conversions myself. Isnt the s20 but p20 A0000 small bearing case supposed to be weak and prone to failing? You better off putting the 3.772 fd I'm an z6 box? Suppose your right if you don't fancy stripping a box down though!

I wouldn't say that they are "prone to failing". They will work fine in a mini. You would have to double or triple the hp to see an issue.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

I wouldn't say that they are "prone to failing". They will work fine in a mini. You would have to double or triple the hp to see an issue.

;) good answer.

[andyfkettle]

Yea I suppose your right. I know you shouldn't believe everything you tea on a forum but it was on d-series.org and actually posted by an credible person but yea the loads and stresses are going to be minimal in a mini. Good info and a very nice build btw.

[wilp99]

:rolleyes:

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Yea I suppose your right. I know you shouldn't believe everything you tea on a forum but it was on d-series.org and actually posted by an credible person but yea the loads and stresses are going to be minimal in a mini. Good info and a very nice build btw.

I know who you talking about his name is Bone from d-series.org and yes he right but you are thinking of a turbo car 0r any d-series making 200+. i say think of all the cars out there that have 200,000,00 miles on them with out failuer.

[Furyof4]

You'll find that a lot of people in the Honda world tend to just reiterate what they've heard not what they've experienced.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

That is way I say ( I don't talk about it, I be about it).

[Thunderchild]

How did you go about your drive shafts? hybrid or custom built?

[Mini502]

I do love the way the belt runs through the timing belt cover! :lol:


lol I just noticed this. How much did you cut out? I looks like only an inch?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

lol I just noticed this. How much did you cut out? I looks like only an inch?

Yes about an inch was cut out of it, worked out great. On the dyno I was looking at the belt just to see if it hit anything but it don't at all, so it good for me.:p

[Mini fab]

Shafts will be fine having Mini /Honda hybrids, I didn't have any problems with that kind of set up . even some roads are not that so good around here, I tend to use almost everyday on rough roads. Just make sure you tighten the hub bolts and your front berings are well greased and seviced. My shafts 23.75 x 11.5 inches by the way.:cool:

[k20/k24 allmotor]

just got back from the body shop to see the progress.
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0106.jpg

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0107.jpg

[wilp99]

lookin good homie, shouldnt be long now. cant wait to see it.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

new up date still at the body shop.
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0108.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0109.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0110.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0111.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0112.jpg

[longlivekel]

does it really need that front clip :P
Show off those ITBs!

[k20/k24 allmotor]

no, not really but i got more room to fit a better header in the future.

[eeae6000]

is that the extended front??


sell me your window visor things =p

[k20/k24 allmotor]

no sir!!!!! on the visor. yes it an extended front i know that u guys dont like the extended front end but im really about the performace not the looks. I always wanted to get a better header for it and I will end up useing more room for that later on. Im thinking about building a separate d series motor just for race. probably looking at something close to 200hp range but thats in the near future, once i get the car set up suspension and tires wise.

[Thunderchild]

So would a standard sized front fit on top of your d series?

[Kam]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SP_A0110.jpg

Thats looking sweet alvis, you getting the whole lot done or just the front end?

Where was your front end from?

[MINIMAD30]

Std size front fits on my d series

[k20/k24 allmotor]

yeah I can use a stardard front end on my car if I wanted to push in a few items. But, I didnt want to make a big clutter in the engine bay so i opted to put the extendend front end. plus im gonna start to making a custome equal lengh header so i rather use the room. plus i gave the engine room to move. around.

[Kam]

Theres no room under the bonnet anyway whether you got a B or D for the heat to escape, more room the better

[k20/k24 allmotor]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/sideflipfront.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/newfrontgrille.jpg

[Kaison]

Wow, she's looking beautiful.

[eeae6000]

those miglia arhces front and back?/


needs a bumper

looks awesome tho

[k20/k24 allmotor]

YES carbon fibre miglia front and back. the bumper would be be carbon fibre too. car should be done by monday.

thanks to all.

[miniwade]

Looks lovely does that, good work and will soon be on the road by the looks of it

[Mini502]

Looks great! Does that red have flake in it, or is that just dust?

[k20/k24 allmotor]

lol just dust. car need a wash.

and thanks

[Kam]

:cool:

Nuff said

[k20/k24 allmotor]

Thanks Kam.

[k20/k24 allmotor]

pick the car up tomorrow :)
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/alvism80/SAM_1137.jpg

[miniwade]

i bet you cant wait :)
when do we get to see the beast in action? im very intrigued to see what you get out of this as your times for your civic were very impressive.
we need action vids :-)

[k20/k24 allmotor]

u need to understand the civic was set up just right for drag racing. with the mini im really trying to just make a weekend warrior n dont want to go that in depth, for drag racing with this car. I am going to drag race it but knowing me once i get it out there i will start making adjustment and the car will end up being another drag race car lol.

[miniwade]

u need to understand the civic was set up just right for drag racing. with the mini im really trying to just make a weekend warrior n dont want to go that in depth, for drag racing with this car. I am going to drag race it but knowing me once i get it out there i will start making adjustment and the car will end up being another drag race car lol.
lol i know what you mean i took mine to york last week for a bit of fun but now i want to sort a few things and go back and beat my time.
i think its the fact that i know there is definately a better time in the car and once i have reached the best time out of it i will call it a day then stick to trackdays which is what i originally built it for :)