AWD Turbo Racer

[Allan McD]

I have just started gutting a 4x4 Justy in preparation for a new toy with a Suzuki Swift 1300cc engine and a turbo :D
More very soon.
Allan

[speedy]

the 4WD bug did bite you to then? ;)

[Allan McD]

the 4WD bug did bite you to then? ;)

The fact it can be done fairly cheap and that I have most of the parts already bit me.
I have now driven a 4x4 for about 300 yards :cool:
Allan

[Andy_S]

Could you build this one a bit slower than normal to make the rest us mortals feel a bit better.

Have fun Mr McD. :)

[Allan McD]

Theres no big rush unless I get it done this month :shock: I wont be able to drive it until March/April.
It wont be a road car juat a racer and theres no where to go in the winter :( I cant afford to take it to a sunny country but it sounds like a good idea :D
Allan

[Hayling mini]

The standard justy is the best car I have ever driven in the snow, simply awesome. How about putting the GTI engine / Turbo in the Justy ready for the snow. Then stick the Mini shell on it in February, you would have immense amounts of fun in it:D

My son has a 2 door Justy with a GTI engine in it, cant wait to borrow it when the snow comes:)

[Mark D]

Could you build this one a bit slower than normal to make the rest us mortals feel a bit better.

And he will still be in the RWD class, wha hoo!!!!

[madzuki]

The standard justy is the best car I have ever driven in the snow, simply awesome.

I'll second that, the two guys I car share with couldn't quite believe it last winter, when I pulled onto the snowy bits of the A9 to overtake slower stuff. Then accelerated. I'm sure the guy in the Shogun who was pratting about at a roundabout couldn't understand how a 'suzuki swift' could overtake him on the outside in six inches of snow either.
And I'm going to have snow tyres this year, how much fun is that going to be!!

iain

[Allan McD]

And he will still be in the RWD class, wha hoo!!!!

Why would that bother you with your supercharged hand built racer ;)
Allan

[PaulW]

hahaha:D Mr McD is bored already look forward to the update's

Paul

[Hayling mini]

I'll second that, the two guys I car share with couldn't quite believe it last winter, when I pulled onto the snowy bits of the A9 to overtake slower stuff. Then accelerated. I'm sure the guy in the Shogun who was pratting about at a roundabout couldn't understand how a 'suzuki swift' could overtake him on the outside in six inches of snow either.
And I'm going to have snow tyres this year, how much fun is that going to be!!

iain

Last winter I drove my daughters Justy round, even with low profile tyres it just went everywhere. I could not stop driving it, I quite fancy moving to Scotland for the winter. Snow in Hayling Island is quite rare, hopefully we will get some again this year:grin:

[Allan McD]

I quite fancy moving to Scotland for the winter. Snow in Hayling Island is quite rare, hopefully we will get some again this year:grin:

It dosnt snow as much in Scotland as you folks down south think.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

It dosnt snow as much in Scotland as you folks down south think.
Allan

Snow has settled on Hayling Island twice in about 20 years, do you have more than this;)

[Allan McD]

Snow has settled on Hayling Island twice in about 20 years, do you have more than this;)

A wee bit but I wouldnt buy a car just for the snow :shock: we get about 3-4 days a year with something you can describe as snow but like you we get real snow about once every 10 years.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

A we bit but I wouldnt buy a car just for the snow :shock: we get about 3-4 days a year with sothing you can describe as snow but like you we get real snow about one every 10 years.
Allan

Its different, 2" of snow brings the south to a standstill, we see videos of Scotland with 6" & nothing changes you just carry on. We have food shortages with 3" on the ground, helicopters are bought into action & the scots are wondering around in T shirts & shorts thinking its summer:D

[miniswift]

Hi Allan,

If you want me to make you a exhaust flange for turbo, let me know.
I have CAD data for a G13B exhaust flange, a TD04 turbo inlet and exhaust for TD04.

http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=482

This is the kit I had and donated to Jerry/Matt space frame.

Cheers
Atchi

[madzuki]

Its different, 2" of snow brings the south to a standstill, we see videos of Scotland with 6" & nothing changes you just carry on. We have food shortages with 3" on the ground, helicopters are bought into action & the scots are wondering around in T shirts & shorts thinking its summer:D

Well this is the A9 two weeks AFTER the main snowfall which closed it, when the snow here was the height of the center barrier. And we were one of the last vehicles to make it through that morning :D had to go over to the Forth road Bridge to get home.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff76/patersoniain/A9-1.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff76/patersoniain/A9-2.jpg

We had snow on the ground from just before Christmas, until the second/third week in February. The local Pheasants were coming into the gardens after the food we were all putting out for the birds. Much to the excitement of the cats. The big mofo on the left kept looking at our cat, as it was stalked, as if to say "Go on son! Just try it, Ah'll have you!!"
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff76/patersoniain/Pheasants.jpg

More of the same for this year according to the guy who correctly forecast last year, can't wait. :)

bloody hell that's not right, need to resize those a tad

[Hayling mini]

Things that will be going through your mind.

Gearbox, you can fit 1600 internals into the 1300 box, I did this to start with & for a road car its the best solution. After doing Barkston in it I felt the ratios were too high. I then built another box with the 1300 internals before going to Santa pod. First gear gets you off the line extremely quickly & the first gear change comes up in about 3 - 5 seconds, coming out of the slow bends it also felt more responsive. However I had about 60BHP less when running the 1600 internals, the spaceframe we are building will start off with the 1600 gear set. Getting a 1600 AWD gearbox is also quite hard, I paid £120.00 for mine from one of the big used car part sites. If you need more info let me know.

1600 bottom end
The GTI head bolts straight on to the G16B block, for big BHP you would need to do something with the crank as its hollow. People have adapted Honda cranks & also Specialist components would make you one but its £1,000:(

Drive shafts
Ideally you need to find 1600 AWD front shafts, they are much thicker / stronger. You can use GTI ones as long as the car is very low (not a problem for you)

Rear diff
The rear diff needs sorting, you will break the standard one easily. So either Atchi, Quaife or Gripper as posted by Ian.

Viscous
The Viscous ideally needs Welding solid & the mini prop remaking in 4mm 316 stainless & will look like this
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa233/jerryw_photos/viscous-250x250.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa233/jerryw_photos/miniprop1-250x250.jpg
I can get one made for you for approx £200.00.
This will give you approx 50 50 split between the front & rear wheels.

Chassis
So many options here, I thought about welding the rear floor in & using the Allspeed front subframe, welding the rear Justy subframe into a mini one. In the end we just used the complete Justy floor pan, I cant wait to see what you come up with:D

[Allan McD]

Things that will be going through your mind.

1600 bottom end
The GTI head bolts straight on to the G16B block, for big BHP you would need to do something with the crank as its hollow.



I dont want to use a 1600cc as that would put me in the above 2000cc with a turbo , they use 1.4 multiplier for turbos.
The other things are still going round and round in my head.
Allan

[MattG]

just get out there with the disc cutter !

[Allan McD]

I thought you boys should read this extract from a email I got this morning :D
I am getting some solar pannels and he is offering a great deal :cool:
Sorry I have had to remove the co name for now as a deal hasnt been done.
Allan
Ps this is genuine


Dear Allan
Further to your enquiry I am pleased to be able to offer you a quote for a ground mounted solar PV system
The price quoted is exclusive of all frame work construction, AC Works, Ground works, steel wired armoured cable,
but is inclusive of all PV installation, DC works and commissioning.

With regards to the advertising, **** Solar would require you to come within the top 5 of your class over 2 years.
Have the **** Solar logo as your principle advertiser on your car and trailer. For all photo shoots and press
appearances you would be required to wear the **** Solar cap and allow the car to be used for future advertising
campaigns and calendars featuring the **** Solar party girls wearing the new range of **** Solar bikini and swim
wear.

[MattG]

calendars featuring the **** Solar party girls wearing the new range of **** Solar bikini and swim
wear.

sod the solar panels !

:mrgreen:

[Hayling mini]

I would look at the small print, sounds like you could end up in a Borat style bikini with a *****Solar hat on draped over your Mini:D

Can you make sure the girls come to Barkston, the wind may effect parts of their anatomy;)

[spNOam]

As long as Allan doesnt have to model in his bikini......

[PaulW]

What happens if you dont come in the top 5 of your class over 2 years? Do they come and remove the solar panels?:D

Paul

[Birdman]

What happens if you dont come in the top 5 of your class over 2 years? Do they come and remove the solar panels?:D

Paul

Yep, and the guys removing the panels are all humming the lyrics " the sun aint gonna shine anymore..." by the Walker Brothers.;)

[Allan McD]

What happens if you dont come in the top 5 of your class over 2 years? Do they come and remove the solar panels?:D

Paul

As long as I have lots of fun it wont matter :D
I hope you havnt forgoten about the Solar party girls wearing the new range of **** Solar bikini and swim wear.

I think he is being a bit light hearted about this but who knows.
Allan

[PaulW]

As long as Allan doesnt have to model in his bikini......

A mankini Geoff:D

I hope you havnt forgoten about the Solar party girls wearing the new range of **** Solar bikini and swim wear.


Allan

Nope its there in the front of my mind when i close my eye's............and then jump out in a mankini and scare the fuck out of me!:D

Paul

[Allan McD]

Heres the first pics from my build :D
This is the car near complete

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/5086726765_96950396a5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5086726765/)

This is how it looked at 5pm :shock:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/5086727023_442f5ca4dd.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5086727023/)

I am still thinking what is the best way to do this :confused:
Allan

[MattG]

I would keep it like that . Lol

[Allan McD]

I would keep it like that . Lol
It still drives ok :cool:
Allan

[Mark D]

I am still thinking what is the best way to do this :confused:
Allan

Just buy one of these, stick it over the top and fill in the gaps, you'll have it done in a week.

http://www.absmotorsport.net/media/catalog/product/cache/7/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/S/p/Space%20frame%20shell%201.jpg

[Allan McD]

Just buy one of these, stick it over the top and fill in the gaps, you'll have it done in a week.


That wasnt one of the things I was thinking about.
I will think about it ...................... I have thought about it ;)
I am using a steel shell that is in stock.
Allan

[Oz]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/5086727023_442f5ca4dd.jpg

Make it into a Moke ;)

[Mark D]

your gonna have to lose the rest of the body i think, or have a 1m extended front.

[Allan McD]

your gonna have to lose the rest of the body i think, or have a 1m extended front.

I dont think so I have a plan.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

That looks clean Alan, normally the inner front wings are rotten. Cant wait to see what you are going to do:D

[Allan McD]

I have just got in from stripping the car I have the engine out and the rear suspension all removed.
The rear suspension arms are prety rusty they could do with replacing :( but I may weld them there is very little rust elsewhere :D
Allan

[Hayling mini]

I have just got in from stripping the car I have the engine out and the rear suspension all removed.
The rear suspension arms are prety rusty they could do with replacing :( but I may weld them there is very little rust elsewher :D
Allan

Cut a hole in the rear floor above the fuel tank / pump whilst its out, as you have just found out getting to the fuel pump is major grief. Stick a picture up of the rusty bits, I have loads of spares. If its the tie bars I would advise changing them anyway as they flex too much. These are about 10mm too long, I just bought a set & with a little modding they will fit well:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-S13-S14-200SX-REAR-LOWER-TIE-BAR-DRIFT-SPEC-/140351011119?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20ad92792f

Jerry

[MattG]

also , if its the bottom arms , they are the same as a swift ( jerry can confirm that )
i also have a pair sitting here ( they are jerrys )

Matt

[Hayling mini]

also , if its the bottom arms , they are the same as a swift ( jerry can confirm that )
i also have a pair sitting here ( they are jerrys )

Matt

The Justy ones are slightly shorter than the Swift ones, but we have spares anyway if you need them.

[Allan McD]

Heres the one of the rusty arms :(

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5089726581_251e699a76.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5089726581/)

Allan

[Hayling mini]

Heres the one of the rusty arms :(

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5089726581_251e699a76.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5089726581/)

Allan

Do you need both sides, these are the same on the Swift & we have spares;)

[Allan McD]

The photo is the worst one but I could do with two if theres a good deal :cool:
Allan

[Hayling mini]

The photo is the worst one but I could do with two if theres a good deal :cool:
Allan

PM me your address & I will swap you for a passenger seat ride around Barkston for myself & then James when its done:D

[Allan McD]

PM me your address & I will swap you for a passenger seat ride around Barkston for myself & then James when its done:D

That means I will need two seats think of the weght :shock:
I supose I can remove it for super fast runs later ;)
Allan

[MattG]

Do you need both sides, these are the same on the Swift & we have spares;)

thats what i was talking about jerry :) "bottom arm" :)

Matt

[Hayling mini]

That means I will need two seats think of the weght :shock:
I supose I can remove it for super fast runs later ;)
Allan

You can remove it after we have had out rides, it will be quick enough with the extra weight anyway;)

thats what i was talking about jerry :) "bottom arm" :)

Matt

Sorry Matt thought you were talking about the tie bars:D

[Allan McD]

Heres this mornings work a picture speaks a thousand words :D

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/5092463815_4f403bac43.jpg ("[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5092463815/)

Allan

[MattG]

cool , get back out there.


Matt

[Allan McD]

One has to eat :rolleyes:
But I wont be long.
Allan

[spNOam]

Looks like a pretty serious 'cut n shut' Great.

[Marcus Nordblom]

nice cut! plasma?

[MattG]

maybe that was just rust ?

[Marcus Nordblom]

Suzukis is like effervescent tablets, dissolves in water;)

[Allan McD]

nice cut! plasma?

Plasma I wish.
I used an reciprocating saw and it worked a treat.
And Matt there is little rust on this quality car from Japan :D
Allan

[Allan McD]

I have it welded back together 23cm shorter :D
And I think I will be able to get the engine moved back about 6-9 cm to make extra room for a huge turbo :cool:
Allan

[MattG]

pictures !!

[Allan McD]

Here are a couple of pics

This is the car welded

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/5093859910_789182eb1d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5093859910/)

This is the part I cut out

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5093860266_80caf2d906.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5093860266/)

No close-ups of the welds the welder was in a bad mood until I was near finished when I had used all the rusty welding wire.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

Looks good Alan, which shell are you going with?

Regards

Jerry

[Allan McD]

I have the shell from my Vauhall racer I was planning using that but its been outside for 2 years and you know what can happen to a mini :(
Allan

[MattG]

whats been going on today allan ?

Matt

[Allan McD]

I have been fitting a cage to keep me in :shock:
pics to follow.
Allan

[bhphunter]

Post up some pics of the old vaux shell aswell!

Loving this : )

[MattG]

guess he popped in for somthing to eat.

i guess you have lowered the mini shell on to check cage location ? pics ? :)

Matt

[Allan McD]

i guess you have lowered the mini shell on to check cage location ?
Matt

Not yet the car is hard to get to at the moment so I just guessed.
Allan

[MattG]

Not yet the car is hard to get to at the moment so I just guessed.
Allan

my sort of thinking .....

Matt

[bhphunter]

Not yet the car is hard to get to at the moment so I just guessed.
Allan


pmsl :)

[Allan McD]

Heres the car near ready to race ;)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5096290281_eb805b4093.jpg ("[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5096290281/)

Allan

[MattG]

hmmm ... lol , cant wait for pictures later ! :)

[spNOam]

Bit of that 'magic' white tape & youre done!

[Allan McD]

Bit of that 'magic' white tape & youre done!

It is done all it needed was some cable ties and duct tape ;)
Allan

[Marcus Nordblom]

excellent, wish i had your "drive"

[cptkirk]

Thats some seriously fast work there Allan, looking forward to future updates.

[Hayling mini]

Looking good Alan, the snow is on its way too apparently, does the Justy still have an MOT;)

[Allan McD]

If its snowing and nothing can move exept Justy mini,s it wont matter if its got an MOT ;)
I am sure Mark D will fix it for me anyway ;) ;)
Allan

[Mark D]

If its snowing and nothing can move exept Justy mini,s it wont matter if its got an MOT ;)
I am sure Mark D will fix it for me anyway ;) ;)
Allan

No probs, just need the chassis number and milage!!!

[Hayling mini]

No probs, just need the chassis number and milage!!!

Can you sort mine out too Mark;)

[MattG]

wheres todays pics allan ?

[Allan McD]

No pics today progres was slow I made a couple of rear mounts for the roll cage and welded plates to the floor for the cage.
Allan

[Mark D]

Can you sort mine out too Mark;)

Certainly, what do you want putting on the failure sheet!!!

[Allan McD]

Heres the latest update, I have got the rear part of the rollcage welded and bolted in, the floor is all ready just to bolt the rest in.
I have also cut more of the Justy away inc the boot floor and lots of the bulk head.
Up till now this has been easy I must be in for a shock soon :shock:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1076/5107501648_156b847468.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5107501648/)

Allan

[miniswift]

Oh my Mr. McD,
You are going so fast!
I should bring my mini to you to build it for me.

I will be bring over everything we talked about.
I have spoken to laser cutting people as well and they will be ready next week.
Unfortunately, I will be away next week in Germany.

I will let you know when I'm coming over!
I will be visiting Denis as well!

Cheers
Atchi

[Allan McD]

I will be visiting Denis as well!

Cheers
Atchi

Are you going to Glasgow on your own :shock:
Do you have a large dog or a gun ;)
Allan

[PaulW]

Are you going to Glasgow on your own :shock:
Do you have a large dog or a gun ;)
Allan

Hes going to Germany, you want to borrow my bins Allan:D

Paul

[PaulW]

oh i get it he's going to see Denis as well;)

[miniswift]

lol

I will be going over to Hamilton & Wishaw.
As I have customer of mine there.
They are Keihin and Daiwa Sports.

I'm sure they are nice people over there!

Cheers
Atchi

[Hayling mini]

Crikey, you are flying Allan, dont forget to post close ups of the boot & bulkhead, I am really intrigued how you are going to do this.

Atchi you will be fine in Glasgow, you will just look like another tourist. Going out in Glasgow with a London accent is another thing though:)

Regards

Jerry

[evolotion]

lol

I will be going over to Hamilton & Wishaw.
As I have customer of mine there.
They are Keihin and Daiwa Sports.

I'm sure they are nice people over there!

Cheers
Atchi


i told my boss you were up our way to see daiwa, he is a keen fisherman and it wasn't till after I said I clicked who daiwa were .. he may pester you, alot lol

funny banter gents, atchi is comign to wishaw, people havnt evolved to the point of walking on there rear legs there yet so he will be fine :p

[Allan McD]

I have got a bit more done and it dosnt look like I will need a 1 metre extended front (MarkD) :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1382/5107253411_a8d68f0795.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5107253411/)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1370/5107851406_7b26dd1bf7.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5107851406/)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1361/5107254361_d48f06b453.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5107254361/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/5107851142_f38f88f4d6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5107851142/)

Allan

[evolotion]

somethings wrong allan, in the earlier pics there's no blooming way that front should fit, i think its a photoshop :p

[Allan McD]

somethings wrong allan, in the earlier pics there's no blooming way that front should fit, i think its a photoshop :p

No Photoshop here just an angle grinder and crossed fingers (the fingers that are full of cuts) bloody minis ;)
Allan

[Hayling mini]

Hi Allan
Looking REALLY good, the GTI inlet sits further back & will foul the brake fluid reservoir. The GTI reservoir has a notch in it, you only need to change the plastic bit. Looking forward to seeing your final engine bay:D

Regards

Jerry

[Andy_S]

She looks to be a stunning low resolution fox there Allan. ;)

[Allan McD]

Heres this mornings work I have decided to deseam it to make it more aerodynamic and save fuel :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1092/5110424434_d488e9003a_z.jpg

Allan

[PaulW]

you are just bored aren't you:D

Paul

[Allan McD]

you are just bored aren't you:D

Paul

Absolutely not but if I dont do it now it will never get done.
I should have it all welded by tonight so its not that big a job.
Allan

[PaulW]

Absolutely not but if I dont do it now it will never get done.
I should have it all welded by tonight so its not that big a job.
Allan

you sound like an old housewife:D

I'm bored:D, i'm almost done for next year. I'm looking for a track day that i can do early next year to see if the launch control and flat shift work.

Paul

[Allan McD]

Thats the car deseamed :D I just need to get some grinding done and a we bit filler and the job will be a goodun.
Allan

[mikee]

you dont hang about all ive managed to do id tub one arch that i havent yet finished because i ran out of wire, and then i see you go and do a whole car, good skills

mike

[Mark D]

I have got a bit more done and it dosnt look like I will need a 1 metre extended front (MarkD) :D


No, your doing a mighty fine job there, crack on!!!

[Allan McD]

Heres the latest update after welding some rusty bits which showed up when I removed the sound proofing material from the floor :( I am starting to weld on the shell :D

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5120553996_faf465350c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5120553996/)

Allan

[Hayling mini]

Looking good Alan, can you take a couple of pics of the front for me, I am intrigued as to how far forward the Mini sits:)

Nice job on the sills by the way:)

[spNOam]

You guys just aren't playing fair...I want one!

[Allan McD]

You guys just aren't playing fair...I want one!

You cant have one they are not alowed in Wales ;)
Allan

[Allan McD]

Heres what I have done today I have nearly got the left side all welded :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1231/5123819900_89b961dc86_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5123819900/)


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1151/5123217553_169c3d074d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5123217553/)

Allan

[Hayling mini]

That's looking really good Allan, you have certainly removed some Justy:-D

[Allan McD]

Heres my start on the rear end I needed new bottom arms but got some thanks to Jerry :D
I have made some mockup rear coilovers I just need to purchase a couple of Coil-Over Conversion Kits and the job is sorted :beer:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5140291312_39435d42b1_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5140291312/)

Allan

[miniswift]

Hi Allan,

You are fast builder!
Will you be using 13" wheels or bigger?
I have spare 13" in 114.3 PCD if you would like!

I will try to make my way to you next week.
I should have flanges tomorrow and I will get in touch with you.
Can you give me your contact detail by pm?

Cheers
Atchi

[Allan McD]

I will be using 13" wheels.
What width wheels do you have ?
Allan

Pm sent

[Hayling mini]

Glad you got them, let me know if you need anything else.

Regards

Jerry

[madzuki]

If you're struggling for wheels Allan, I have 6"x13"s I can lend you until you pick up a set.
iain

[Allan McD]

If you're struggling for wheels Allan, I have 6"x13"s I can lend you until you pick up a set.
iain

Thanks for the offer but I need 7"x13" and at the moment it looks like I will be changing the PCD to accept mini wheels as I have loads and will be able to just swap from one race car to another.
Allan

[madzuki]

That would make it a lot easier!

I need to stop watching yours and Jerry's threads, gives me far too many ideas about what to eventually use all my surplus Justy bits for.

I.

[Hayling mini]

Thanks for the offer but I need 7"x13" and at the moment it looks like I will be changing the PCD to accept mini wheels as I have loads and will be able to just swap from one race car to another.
Allan

But which one will you choose the most & which one will you end up selling, place your bets please:)


That would make it a lot easier!

I need to stop watching yours and Jerry's threads, gives me far too many ideas about what to eventually use all my surplus Justy bits for.

I.

I know the feeling, I have 3 Justy's plus the spaceframe & quite a lot of GTI spares, so many options. Quite fancy an Austin 1300 4 door complete with roof rack & steel wheels running the same setup as my van:)

[Andy_S]

Quite fancy an Austin 1300 4 door complete with roof rack & steel wheels running the same setup as my van:)

Do it .........

My dad built an 1100 from a new shell in 1976 (I was 9) & I reckon this this is where I got the car building bug.

[Coupe]

Quite fancy an Austin 1300 4 door complete with roof rack & steel wheels running the same setup as my van:)

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=390270&fr=0

Get on it! Make sure it stays brown though!!!

[MattG]

any updates allan ?

Matt

[Hayling mini]

any updates allan ?

Matt

I think he finished it & is too busy driving it around to post on here;)

[Allan McD]

I have been busy digging holes for my new power cable to supply the UK with my solar power :D
My new sponsor Love Solar are coming Wednesday to install and the electrician is coming this afternoon.
I will give updates this evening.
Allan
Ps I just had to go to the front door to get some goodies from DHL while I was typing this

[Hayling mini]

Ps I just had to go to the front door to get some goodies from DHL while I was typing this

Nice big Turbo?

[GARNDI]

Just had a read through this build so far, Looking awesome mate!.

Will be interesting with the extra short wheelbase :-D.

What sort of power are you chasing?.

Also what ECU & Turbo combo are you going for?.

You may find it hard to get the engine further back as the Gear Box is quite large and will most likely hit the steering rack. May have to lower the engine 15mm for clearance.

This will be one quick car, Looking forward to more updates!!!.

[Allan McD]

The post was big front brakes but I still need calipers my KAD's wont do :(
I am looking for about 240 - 260 bhp
I have a TD04 in the post :cool: and plan using megasquirt and have the engine back 4.5cm but I did have to move the rack a wee bit.
Allan

[GARNDI]

If you after brakes and are using GTi hubs I can do these Wilwood brackets....>

http://www.starkeymotorsport.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=36&product_id=52

Check pic's under additional images.

These just fit under 13" wheels.

That's Awesome you could move the engine back that far. The front would be very limited for space so nice one. How does the plenum sit or are you using a custom inlet?.

Also when the turbo arrives soak the rear turbine housing with WD40 as you need to rotate the core of the TD04L, unless you have room and want to run it high mount.

Also if you need any Suzuki engine parts I work at an engine shop so I can get prices, let me know :wink:

If you have not bought the megasquirt yet there is an Adaptronic ecu available that can plug into the factory gti loom if you want and easy plug and play install (has Turbo maps that you can download from the net to make it easy).

Cheers
Andy

[Spiyda]

Cheers
Andy

This is like a visit from one of the gods of G13b :D

[Allan McD]

Andy/Garndi
I had looked at these a few times nice work,I dont want to purchase expensive calipers if I can get way with it but I have some wilwoods on my pickup so may be able to swap my KAD's there and fit the willwoods to my Justy/mini.
I will be using the stock inlet if I can but I will maybe have to mod it.
Thanks for the info on the turbo and parts :-D
I have a megasquirt that is sitting about unused so I plan to use that I just hope all the ms experts are feeling generous with there info when I do use it.
Allan

[MattG]

:megasquirt:

[Allan McD]

:megasquirt:

Matt you are a star ;) I will need loads of help from you to get this working and AndyS can make me a custom map in his garage then it will be win win win :beer:
Allan

[MattG]

you might be better off talking to the suzi boys about MS , as i know about vauxhalls ... but if i can be of any help i will

Matt

[Andy_S]

AndyS can make me a custom map in his garage then it will be win win win :beer:
Allan

Piece of piss. ;)

........... although Mr Spiyda would be top of my list, he's just mapped a G13B supercharged unit on Megasquirt.

[Allan McD]

Piece of piss. ;)

........... although Mr Spiyda would be top of my list, he's just mapped a G13B supercharged unit on Megasquirt.

I guess I know who to scrounge a base map from now :D
Well not now but in a few weeks.
Allan

[Spiyda]

I guess I know who to scrounge a base map from now :D
Well not now but in a few weeks.
Allan


No problem with the fuel mapping.. I can give you a base that will get it running, then the auto tune in tuner studio will get the mixture spot on for you..

We have a Megasquirt 1 board 3 running a custom version of 029y code


If you are also running the ignition off megasquirt (probably a good idea)
What I don't have is proper advance settings... mine are guessed and probably on the conservative side... I'm hoping that when I eventually get the car on a rolling road, I will be able to hear detonation and set some proper limits, and set the knock sensor sensitivity more accurately...

We had some issues with --

Idle and the Suzuki fast idle solenoid which is better now thanks to Caaarlo and some custom firmware.. easy enough to upload to megasquirt

Revs picking up after you take your foot off for example when changing gear, due to excess pressurised air in the inlet tract.. solved by much messing with the overrun cut off settings...

[Allan McD]

I have a megasquirt ecu its a few yers old I dont know the exact setup but its edis and I think its a verson 1 board.
I will need to extract it from my van and have a look.
Allan

[Allan McD]

Heres what I have been working on the last couple of days when I had time :rolleyes:
I have both sides done.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/5161625489_afd0c11319_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5161625489/)

Allan

[Hayling mini]

Which calipers are they?
Like the rear tie bars:)

Jerry

[MattG]

Which calipers are they?
Like the rear tie bars:)

Jerry

he allways leaves you wanting more :)

[Allan McD]

They are Honda RC30 front calipers I removed the bleed valves and moved the inlet to the side,I had to get the discs skimmed 3mm but that helps keep the weight down :cool:
The last time I tried using bike calipers it was a bad bodge :(
I made the tie bars with a rose joints and a bit of steel tube easy peasy :D
Allan

[MattG]

The last time I tried using bike calipers it was a bad bodge :(

hmm was that on your beam axle :rolleyes:

[Allan McD]

he allways leaves you wanting more :)

Grace agrees ;) :beer:
Allan

[Allan McD]

hmm was that on your beam axle :rolleyes:

Maybe :(
Did you know those calipers were from a Honda RC45 if you dont know what one one is just google and you will find the most expensive toy I ever bought.
Allan

[MattG]

dont know , but i sold then for 15 quid on ebay :) i guess they are not worth as much on there own

lol

Matt

[Hayling mini]

he allways leaves you wanting more :)

I know, he puts up pics with too little information, its like a woman wearing a low cut top & short skirt;)

[MattG]

I know, he puts up pics with too little information, its like a woman wearing a low cut top & short skirt;)

pics ?

sorry alan , going off track .. will delete in morning :) after jerry posts some pics :)

Matt

[GARNDI]

This is like a visit from one of the gods of G13b :D

There is only one true God!.

I don't think he runs a Megasquirt Matt lol.

[GARNDI]

I take it your building the engine with Vitara Pistons?.

I would suggest the G13b AWD 4 puck Clutch from DMWDave, Let me know if you want me to arrange one. There good for 400HP and feel standard :D.

As Jerry suggested welding the viscous coupling and changing the mini prop in the Diff housing is a good idea. The difference with the welded viscous is amazing and coupled with the uprated mini prop will see you to a 1.5 60ft (the mini prop twists as its only 1mm thick).

I also recommend using alloy mounts with bonded metal rubber inserts on the rear Diff as well. This really helps as the standard bushes have way to much flex and can make it very twitchy coming onto boost.

More pic's....

[Allan McD]

I have just bought a new rear diff from a Subaru Impreza wrx with an LSD and stronger shafts so the build takes a new path :shock:
I will need a clutch at some time can you pm me a good price please.
I have an engine coming tomorrow which has Vitara pistons and o'ringed from Atchi :D
Allan

[GARNDI]

Very Interesting using the WRX Diff, there quite small in size so you should have room and the bonus of an LSD :D. + no stupid viscous setup in the housing (Light weight).

Just wondering how the ratios will go?. The Diff ratio of the WRX matching to the 'rear drive' crown wheel in the front Suzuki GB.

I think that the Suzuki rear Diff ratio is 3.416 'from memory' and the Front GB ratio of the Justy/Swift AWD is 4.235.

pic's....

[evolotion]

how does that work then? (on the swift) would assume with the viscous locked you would need to keep the ratios the same!? or is there a non 1:1 transfer to the rear?.. at any rate scooby diffs come in many flavours, with the ratios stamped rather un-handily on the crown wheel.

[Allan McD]

how does that work then? (on the swift) would assume with the viscous locked you would need to keep the ratios the same!? or is there a non 1:1 transfer to the rear?.. at any rate scooby diffs come in many flavours, with the ratios stamped rather un-handily on the crown wheel.

I am not sure about anything :shock: but I am sure I will get it to work if the ratio is no use I will just have to put it back on ebay.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

I am sure you will get it to work, even if you do need to change the ratios & I for one will be copying you on my next build:)

[Allan McD]

Are the ratios changeable ?
Allan

[Hayling mini]

Are the ratios changeable ?
Allan

According to Garndi the rear diff ratio on the Justy is 3.416, all UK WRX diffs are 3.53 apparently. I am certainly no expert but surely this will be close enough to work. Please feel free to shoot me down in flames:)

Jerry

[Allan McD]

Please feel free to shoot me down in flames

Jerry

I will do ;)
Allan

[Hayling mini]

I will do ;)
Allan

Well I would be more than happy to buy the diff for the no doubt heavily discounted price you paid & give it a go;)

[Hayling mini]

Just to put this in perspective, my van has the Justy rear diff & viscous, the rear diff was designed to take approximately 30% of a massive 67BHP. I am putting 50% of 248BHP through it & it works really well, anybody that has seen my van launch I am sure will vouch for that. So my crown wheel cannot possibly match the ratio I am actually putting through it, or am I missing something?

Jerry

[Allan McD]

I think you are missing something.
With a fixed diff with the wrong ratio I think the front and rear wheels will always be trying to go at a different speed which will cause tyre problems and drag.
This is just what my little brain says is likley to happen but maybe not.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

I think the ratios are close enough, but only time & someone to try it will tell if it will work. If it doesn't work you are back to finding a rear LSD & welding up the viscous as I have done. If it does work you may find certain people copying you;)

Jerry

[Allan McD]

If I use the Justy setup I planned to just use a longer mini shaft and throw the viscous in the bin.
Do you see a problem with this.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

If I use the Justy setup I planned to just use a longer mini shaft and throw the viscous in the bin.
Do you see a problem with this.
Allan

Yes but I don't know why, I am sure that the Oz guys who perfected the setup would have binned the viscous too if they could. I am sure their is a reason they weld it up & leave it in.

I have coilovers on the front with 350ib springs, I did have 450 but found my front tyres squealing going into bends. The rears are Starkey motorsport springs progressing from 350ib to 650ib.

[MattG]

i think the oz boys keep it as its simple , just weld it up , as alan has to make a new propshafts , he can get rid of it , and run the prop shaft right to the diff ( thats what you mean allan ? )

Matt

[Allan McD]

Matt is Correct.
Allan

[evolotion]

my only concern allan, is say (for example) the rear diff needs to be 3.443333333(rec):1 to stop transmittion wind-up, and you pop in a diff which is say, 3.44000:1 your going to have issues with wrecking diffs and odd behavour at high speeds. even though the subaru diff is smaller, unless its exactly the correct ratio i'd stick with the suzuki one or, you can be very slightly off with the ratio, but you will have to keep the viscous. and it will rob power at high speeds. assuming this is for sprinting rather than straight line stuff, i personally would keep the viscous, or at the very least have a setup where you can try with and without.

[MattG]

Matt is Correct.
Allan

get in !

[Allan McD]

I had a visitor today Atchi . :cool:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1335/5164585207_cec186e2e8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5164585207/)


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/5165189972_d80ef20448_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5165189972/)

Nice new Vitara pistons and a modded block to fit them in and all the flanges a person could need.
Lets hope he visits again some day what a man.
Allan

[Allan McD]

my only concern allan, is say (for example) the rear diff needs to be 3.443333333(rec):1 to stop transmittion wind-up, and you pop in a diff which is say, 3.44000:1 your going to have issues with wrecking diffs and odd behavour at high speeds. even though the subaru diff is smaller, unless its exactly the correct ratio i'd stick with the suzuki one or, you can be very slightly off with the ratio, but you will have to keep the viscous. and it will rob power at high speeds. assuming this is for sprinting rather than straight line stuff, i personally would keep the viscous, or at the very least have a setup where you can try with and without.

The stock viscous is no good according to them in the know :(
If the diff was a we bit out and I had a viscous do you think it would be ok ?
What about a viscous from somthing else ? but what ?
Allan

[miniswift]

Hi Allan,

I'm back after driving and a nice fish and chips!
Can you not ask Jerry nicely and sell you his HD vicous made by Suzuki Sports!?
Since Jerry is not using it.....

Cheers
Atchi

[Allan McD]

Hi I thought you ate enough of my chocolate biscuits to get you home ;)
I will wait and see what Jerry says regarding what you sugest.
Allan

[picKup]

Not fully understanding the problem but...........

Could you compensate for a different diff ratio with different tyre/wheel sizes front to back? Or will that just open up a whole can of other issues!??

[Allan McD]

Not fully understanding the problem but...........

Could you compensate for a different diff ratio with different tyre/wheel sizes front to back? Or will that just open up a whole can of other issues!??

Thats one thing that I had up my sleve but I am waiting untill I get my diff and check out the ratio before I get my calculator out to see what can be done.
Allan

[evolotion]

i dunno, free lander viscous is a big brute, and very tight. expensive though as the free lander runs different ratios from front to rear intentionally, so the viscous is highly stressed and often siezes up!

i remember reading an article on calibra/cavvy viscous rebuilding / tuning? perhaps worth a google? IIRC they messed wiht the fluid in it to change its properties.

im no expert mate, all im saying is leave yourself an option to atleast insert a viscous to experiemnt, though it will make the prop more complicated :(

p.s. had a delivery of flange from atchi too! (thanks again!) feeling guilty i didnt supply biscuits now :(

[Allan McD]

feeling guilty i didnt supply biscuits now :(

You give Scotsmen a bad name ;)
I will need to do a bit of studying about viscouses (is that a word?) google here I come again.
Allan

[GARNDI]

This is how I thought it works with the different front / rear Diff ratios.

The front Diff has 2 crown wheels attached. The AWD crown wheel / pinion into the transfer case changes the RPM before it gets to the rear Diff.

The correct front/rear ratio combination should then make all the wheels turn at the same speed.

(that's my understanding of it, could be wrong )

I think that other AWD systems have different ratios that provide a different torque split but this requires a viscous coupling setup.

The originally idea behind me locking the Suzuki Viscous was from a guy I meet in Australia who builds Mitsubishi Evo rally cars in Asia (apparently a common job on the EVO). I was having issues when cornering on the track, the VC was inconsistent, coming in and out when it felt like it after about 3 laps (sending me into a spin). The cars front wheels would keep spinning out of the corners (was complete rubbish). I think that the fluid was suffering from the heat. Only having about 30% drive to the rear it did nothing much for me when drag racing, same 60ft times as a FWD. I did look into changing to a thicker VC fluid but once it was welded never looked back!. The car puts the power down so well coming out of the corners with a slight power slide at WOT (I do have to drive the car smoothly with the welded rear Diff).

The reason I have never changed my Diff to another was the fact that its one large complete unit that has mounts half way up the car. I really wanted a change and have had the car on the workshop hoist a few times eyeing up/measuring different Diffs & complete running gear. It was just going to be a pain to modify and it was/is currently holding up at 300HP+....

If you were to use the standard rear Suzuki Diff and as your cutting and grinding away/remaking everything I would say chuck the front VC section away. You would have to make something up to bolt to the alloy casing and adapt something to the male spline for the props uni joint to bolt to. + with shortening the car you need a custom prop anyway. I use a 3" one piece prop shaft with 100mm mustang uni and have bent this out of balance 3 times Drag racing lol.

I suppose it really depends on how much power you are going to have. If its standard engine with vitaras then I would not worry about the component strength of the Suzuki Diff. Its only a bonus to get the wrx lsd and the weight save. The rear LSD for the Swift is about £480.

I hope you get this WRX system to work as I believe that with Haylingminis (Jerry's) J20A 450HP project the car will be breaking the standard rear Diff on the line. My current car snaps the standard rear shafts in half so up grading these would be nice idea as well. I was going to have to set the J20A build on a lower boost level in 1st gear to stop breakages.... as Jerry said you may have people copying you.... so don't give up!!! try make it work wink lol.

[Oz]

I have to say after years of owning and racing a few 4wd small hatches (all with VC's) I really would not be happy with welding the VC solid. The issue of transmission wind up is not just a problem with different diff ratios but you have to remember the front and rear wheels do not follow the exact same trajectory when cornering (look at the tracks left by a car in rain or snow, the rear wheels draw a shorter path than the fronts so even with perfectly identical ratios F&R each time you corner you are adding pressure and stress to the transmission as they tighten.

I remember reading about a 4wd rallycross 8 port clubman built by BL's Special Tuning dept that had a solid prop. On the rough it was fine but it was a pig to drive on tarmac as the transmission wound up and the car would suddely spin wheels as the pressure was released, it was eventally converted back to fwd (although now rebuilt as a 4wd and is now a show car - there were a few pics in one of the mags a year or so ago)

I appreciate that people are doing it but as far as my own opinion is I wouldn't do it, I'd source either a stiffer VC from another car or seek to replace the fluid with something much thicker.

FTR none of the cars I've owned raced and track-day'ed (if thats a word) have ever have issues that related to an unstable VC - the best set up I had is my hillclimb Sirion with a VC and plate LSD's F&R, the car was on rails and would out corner much more exotic machinery with ease.

Just MHO :)

[madzuki]

This is how I thought it works with the different front / rear Diff ratios.

The front Diff has 2 crown wheels attached. The AWD crown wheel / pinion into the transfer case changes the RPM before it gets to the rear Diff.

The correct front/rear ratio combination should then make all the wheels turn at the same speed.

(that's my understanding of it, could be wrong )


That's exactly how it works, have that confirmed from Suzuki tech bod at Suzuki GB years ago.



The originally idea behind me locking the Suzuki Viscous was from a guy I meet in Australia who builds Mitsubishi Evo rally cars in Asia (apparently a common job on the EVO). I was having issues when cornering on the track, the VC was inconsistent, coming in and out when it felt like it after about 3 laps (sending me into a spin). The cars front wheels would keep spinning out of the corners (was complete rubbish). I think that the fluid was suffering from the heat.

Interesting, when I was running the 4wd saloon in the late 90's I had a similar problem. Ran A008 175/50/13's to drop the 1.6 gearing, but the fronts would spin up, sometimes dramatically, in corners. Open diffs. Second run was always more unpredicatable than the first, I was assuming it was because I was frying the tyres..which I was. Stopped tyre warming, which helped. Helped further by moving to AO32 185/60/13's, the increase in gearing reduced the wheelspin markedly, but it was still never quite right. I had nothing like the power you guy's will be running, but I was never that confident the back end was going to do the same thing from run to run.
Never even considered it could be the VC heating up because I play with them when it snows, but of course the outside temp and the diff continually being bathed in snow by the spinning tyres could be taking the heat out as fast as it's going in.


iain

[Allan McD]

According to Garndi the rear diff ratio on the Justy is 3.416, all UK WRX diffs are 3.53 apparently. I am certainly no expert but surely this will be close enough to work. Please feel free to shoot me down in flames:)

Jerry

My new diff is 39-11 so the ratio is 3.545 so that makes it about 3.8% too high if my maths are correct.
Maybe a viscous from somthing other than a Swift would be able to cope with this amout of error in gearing if its just for hillclimbs and sprints ?
Allan

[GARNDI]

That's exactly how it works, have that confirmed from Suzuki tech bod at Suzuki GB years ago.

Interesting, when I was running the 4wd saloon in the late 90's I had a similar problem. Ran A008 175/50/13's to drop the 1.6 gearing, but the fronts would spin up, sometimes dramatically, in corners. Open diffs. Second run was always more unpredicatable than the first, I was assuming it was because I was frying the tyres..which I was. Stopped tyre warming, which helped. Helped further by moving to AO32 185/60/13's, the increase in gearing reduced the wheelspin markedly, but it was still never quite right. I had nothing like the power you guy's will be running, but I was never that confident the back end was going to do the same thing from run to run.
Never even considered it could be the VC heating up because I play with them when it snows, but of course the outside temp and the diff continually being bathed in snow by the spinning tyres could be taking the heat out as fast as it's going in.


iain

Awesome Iain, well at least thats confirmed.

Regarding the VC same here. There was a complete lack of confidence in the back end!. After a lap or 2 it would wheel spin as if it lost all will to live in the rear, then the same corner again would be completely different, it would kick in and you would be away. These problems became worse as the power went up. I remember one outing I spun about 6 times trying to drive medium/fast 'but smooth' around corners, it was complete crap.

I have also had people test drive my car that setup GT3 race cars for a living and seen them spin it as well :D. So it was not my driving style lol.

This was racing in 35d heat and about 260HP.

As OZ said the front and rear wheels follow a different trajectory when cornering. Sounds like it should not be done... I have been told this theory by people in the know, but these same people also recommended locking the VC.

One reason why is that its proven results not only in rally cars but on tarmac. a quick example of this was a guy at our local hill climb track. He has a GTiR that went through all different setups. The car was doing well after he installed LSD's F/R. The quickest he ever had the car was when he not only locked the VC but welded the front and rear diff solid. Now you may think that this would not work well and cause all sorts of issues (it does). but believe that the car put down some quick times, massive improvements over the standard setup 'with I think everyone scratching there heads'.

So that was enough for me to try it. Not saying that this is the only way forward (just that its worked for me and costs stuff all :D).

There has been discussion about using the Subaru DCCD VC thats electronically controlled and looks like it would fit in the current Suzuki VC alloy housing. This would be nice and could give you control over the percentage to the rear making the car a little bit more driver friendly.

I also had a go at welding / locking all the Diff's F/R and VC on a Swift 1.6 AWD saloon. Never got to track race the car but the grip was on a different level. Low speed tried to rip the steering wheel out of your hands... so I would never try that on my car lol..

Here are some pic's of my car white AWD with a standard VC.

[Hayling mini]

Borrowed from another forum,

Types of AWD Systems


Subaru (USDM 5spd) & Mitsubishi (USDM and NOT EVOLUTION)

Subaru (USA 5 speed) and Mitsubishi (USDM) systems are made up of 3 limited slip differentials (LSD's). The first one, starting from the front to rear, is a limited slip differential. The middle (Center) and rear differential are both viscous limited slip differential.

The limited slip differential is a SPEED SENSING differential, which means that it has to detect one side of the diff spinning faster that the other to begin creating a torque bias. In this case you have a delay between wheel slip and actual torque shift from one spot to another. If we look at a current version of a Subaru or Mitsubishi, you have ABS which is a speed sensing system and the viscous coupling diff. which is also a speed sensing system. In most cases, your tires will slip long before you are able to transfer torque, which actually can save wear and tear on the differential and drivetrain.

Subaru (USDM Auto) and Audi TT and Jetta 4Motion

The drivetrain is made up of 2 limited slip differentials and a haldex or haldex type center diff. The Haldex center diff is more or less a multiplate clutch system that splits the torque between the front and rear driveshafts. The Haldex system is again a SPEED SENSING system. As one set of clutch plates spins faster than the others, torque is shifted. In normal operation, the Haldex diff will keep power split closer to 60(rear):40(front). As a slip occurs torque shifts more towards another end and can reach levels of 80% at the rear diff. Once again ABS is also employed to add another level of SPEED SENSING control over the wheels.

Audi Quattro 5 speed, 6 speed and Automatic

This type system incorporates a Torsen center differential and 2 open differential (front and rear differentials). The Torsen center diff is quite different from the other diffs mentioned above. The reason is that is uses TORQUE SENSING to determine the direction to move power in the drivetrain. A torque sensing diff can see torque changes almost instantly, even if torque levels shift 1% towards the other end of the car! This means that the very moment a tire looses it's grip, torque is starting to move away from that end of the car. If this wasn't cool enough, the Audi cars also have ABS that will pulse the brakes at each wheel when needed to take torque away from one slipping tire if needed. When this means to you is that you have both a TORQUE SENSING and a SPEED SENSING system on board your car.

Lancer EVOLUTION (UKDM/JDM) and Subaru WRX STi (USDM/UKDM/JDM)

These vehicles carry an electronic control unit (ECU) that controls the haldex system. The ECU's can determine how to push torque based on wheel sensors, as well as sensor readings of road speed and engine RPM. These systems are as fast as the Torsen system but use their independent ECU to manage torque split. On the STi this system is referred to as DCCD (Driver Controlled Center Differential) and on the Evolution it is referred to as ACD (Active Center Differential). The STi version includes a manual adjustment wheel to set the diff to any torque bias you want or there is an auto setting to let the computer decide for you.



General Terminology


LSD

A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.

The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate at twice its intended velocity – the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels. [1]

Viscous LSD

The viscous type is relies on the properties of a dilatant fluid - that is, one which thickens when subject to shear. Silicone-based oils are often used. Here, a cylindrical chamber of fluid filled with a stack of perforated discs rotates with the normal motion of the output shafts. The inside surface of the chamber is coupled to one of the driveshafts, and the outside coupled to the diff carrier. Half of the discs are connected to the inner, the other half to the outer, they alternate inner/outer in the stack. Differential motion forces the interlocked (though untouching) discs to move through the fluid against each other. The greater the relative speed of the discs, the more resistance the fluid will put up to oppose this motion. In contrast to the mechanical type, the limiting action is much softer and more proportional to the slip, so for the average driver is easier to cope with.

Viscous LSDs are less efficient than mechanical types, that is, they "lose" some power. They do not stand up well to abuse, particularly any sustained load which overheats the silicone results in sudden permanent loss of the LSD effect. This is up for debate, but more or less reality. [1]

Haldex Differential

The Haldex center differential is mounted on the rear axle differential and is driven by the prop shaft. Engine torque is transmitted through the gearbox to the prop shaft. The prop shaft is connected to the input shaft of the Haldex differential. In the Haldex differential, the input shaft is separated from the output shaft to the rear axle differential. Torque can only be transmitted to the rear axle differential when the Haldex differential clutch plates are engaged.

In the absence of wheel slippage, the clutch plates are not engaged, and only front-wheel drive operates until power is needed for the rear axle.

Advantages:
1. Permanent all-wheel drive with electronically controlled multi-plate clutch
2. Front drive characteristic (distributes power to the rear axle only when needed)
3.Quick response time, No strain on clutch when parking and maneuvering the vehicle
4.Compatible with different tires (e.g. emergency wheel), No restrictions on towing with the axle raised off the ground
5.Fully combinable with traction control systems such as ABS, EDL, TCS, EBD and ESP. [2]

[Hayling mini]

Torsen Differential

The torsen differential works by supporting a torque imbalance, the maximum ratio of torque imbalance is defined by the TBR (Torque Bias Ratio). When a torsen has a 3:1 TBR, that means that one side can handle up to 75% while the other side would have to only handle 25% of applied torque. During acceleration under asymmetric traction conditions, so long as the higher traction side can handle the higher percentage of applied torque, no relative wheelspin will occur. When the traction difference exceeds the TBR, the slower wheel receives the tractive torque of the faster wheel multiplied by the TBR, any extra torque remaining from applied torque contributes to the angular acceleration of the faster wheel.

When attempting to turn with a torque sensitive differential, the outer wheel will need to move forward relative to the differential, and the inner wheel will move slower than the differential. Friction in the differential will oppose motion, and that will work to slow the faster side and 'speed up' the slower/inner side. This leads to asymmetric torque distributions in drive wheels, matching the TBR. Cornering in this manner will reduce the torque applied to the outer tire, leading to possibly greater cornering power, unless the inner wheel is overpowered (which is easier to do than with an open differential). When the inner tire (which has less traction due to weight transfer from lateral acceleration) is overpowered it angularly accelerates up to the outer wheel speed (small percent wheel spin) and the differential locks, and if the traction difference does not exceed the TBR, the outer wheel will then have a higher torque applied to it. If the traction difference exceeds the TBR, the outer tire gets the tractive torque of the inner wheel multiplied by the TBR, and the remaining applied torque to the differential contributes to wheel spin up. [3]

Type of 4wd/AWD systems and sample cars


4WD and AWD systems by design type
NOTE! Subaru's "Symmetrical AWD" system is actually 4 different systems based on drivetrain choice, see below.

Center differential with mechanical lock, or other torque transfer features

Ford - Escort and Sierra Cosworth, Sierra and Granada 4x4 models
H1 & HMMWV NVG 242HD AMG open center differential, locked center differential, Neutral, low range locked. Also Torsen1 differential at the front and rear axle, The H1 moved to Torsen2 when ABS was added. The H1 Alpha had optional locking differentials in place of torsens
Hummer H2, H3 40/60 planetary with lock
Range Rover
Lada Niva
Land Rover/Land Rover Discovery/LR3
Subaru Basic manual transmissions have a 50/50 center differential with viscous clutch, performance models have a planetary differential with computer regulated lockup. Automatic transmission models have ~45/55 planetary with computer controlled lock up
Mercedes-Benz G-Class
Mercedes GL class
Jeep Grand Cherokee, Commander (Quadra-Drive 2 version only for both vehicles)
Jeep Liberty (Select-Trac) NVG 242 transfer case-rear drive, open center differential, locked center differential, Neutral, low range & locked
Porsche Cayenne (Porsche Traction Management) 38/62 planetary with lockup clutch pack
Volkswagen Touareg -double pinion 50/50 with lockup clutch pack
Suzuki Grand Vitara
Toyota Land Cruiser
Toyota Sequoia (Multi-mode)
Lexus RX350 -viscous coupling on center differential
Lexus LX470 -open with lock
Mercedes-Benz Unimog (locking center and rear with up to 10 low range gears).
Mitsubishi Pajero (also known as Montero or Shogun)
Note of the above vehicles all have a low range transfer case except some Subaru models.

Torsen Center diff

Audi A4, A6, A8, S4, S6, S8, R8, Q7 (center) (quattro)
Chevrolet Trailblazer SS (center)(limited slip rear) Torsen3
Lexus GX470 (center)(limited slip rear) Torsen3 with lock
Toyota Hi-lux Surf or 4runner (center) (also locking rear) Torsen3 with lock
Toyota FJ cruiser (center) (only manual models) (also locking rear) Torsen3 with lock
Bentley Continental GT, Flying Spur Torsen1

Center diff no locking

Mercedes 4MATIC cars, R class, and ML class (note some MLs had low range)
Cadillac Escalade, STS AWD, SRX AWD (The first two generations had a viscous clutch on the center differential)
GMC Yukon Denali, XL Denali, Sierra Denali
Chrysler 300C AWD
Dodge Magnum, Charger AWD
The above systems function by selectivly using the tracton control system (via ABS) to brake a slipping wheel.


Multiple Clutch systems

Acura RL, RDX (SH-AWD) Right and left axleshaft
Nissan Skyline GT-R (ATTESA E-TS and ATTESSA E-TS-PRO) front axle coupling, rear differential locking
Nissan Skyline GTS4 (ATTESA E-TS)
Nissan A31 Cefiro SE4 (ATTESA E-TS)
Porsche 959 PSK front axle coupling, rear differential locking.
Acura MDX SH-AWD & VTM4
Honda Pilot
Honda Ridgeline
Mitsubishi GTO MR/3000GT VR-4
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Series

Clutch pack coupling

Subaru Low powered automatic transmission models: mechanical front drive, clutch coupled rear axle.
Volkswagen Haldex based cars
Volvo S40, S60, S80, V50, V70, XC70, XC90 (all Haldex based)
Mazda Tribute, CX-7, CX-9 (tribute Control Trac II, based)
Mazdaspeed6 (a power takeoff unit linked to clutchpack with torque sensitive rear differential.)
Ford Escape, Freestyle, Edge, Fusion, Five hundred (Freestyle, FiveHundred Haldex based)(Escape Control Trac II, based)
Mercury Milan, Montego, Mariner (Montego Haldex based)
Nissan Murano automatic with manual lockup swithch
Lincoln MKS, MKZ
Land Rover LR2 (also Haldex)[3]
Audi A3, TT (also Haldex)
Jeep Compass (Freedom Drive)
Toyota Rav4 (latest model, not older generations)
Honda CR-V, Element
Chrysler Pacifica (BorgWarner ITM3e) (on 2007 model)
Hyundai Santa Fe (BorgWarner ITM3e) (2005 and up), Tucson (also a BorgWarner system)
Kia Sportage (also a BorgWarner system),
Jeep Grand Cherokee & SRT8 NVG 249, 247
Dodge Nitro (Quadra-Trac 1)
Suzuki SX4, XL7, Aerio
Mitsubishi Outlander (current generation)
BMW 3series, 5series, X3, X5 (the initial X5's had a 38/62 planetary center differential)
Chevrolet Equinox (GMPCA)
Pontiac Torrent (GMPCA)
Dodge Caliber
Infiniti G35x, M35x
Subaru low powered automatic transmission models
Porsche 911 Awd variants (a version of BorgWarner ITM3e) -excluding the 964 series Porsche 911 carrera4 31/69 planetary center differential
Lamborgini AWD variants VT series (viscous traction)
Note the above all function like 2wd when clutch pack not engaged, and like 4wd highrange in a part time 4wd system when the clutch is engaged (usualy by computer although some allow manual control). Some in this category have varying degrees of control in the torque distribution between front and rear via alowing some of the clutches in a clutch pack to engave and slip varying amounts. An example of a system like this is the BorgWarner i-Trac(TM) system. Note the Haldex based car list was created from the list on Haldex corporate web site: | Haldex Cars. Interestingly a version of the BorgWarner ITM3e system is used on 2006 and up Porsche 911TT's. These Borg Warner systems were for runner of the populer Volkswagen DSG gearbox.

Off Road Drive (no center diff) (aka part time 4wd)

Jeep Wrangler (Rubicon has a locking front as well as rear)
Chevrolet Tahoe Z71, Suburban Z71, Silverado Z71, Colorado Z71
GMC Yukon Z71, Sierra Z71
Dodge Powerwagon (a ram version with front and rear lockers)
Nissan Titan, Xterra
Toyota FJ cruser (auto trans models), Tacoma
Isuzu i-series
Chevrolet Trailblazer and GMC Envoy
Ford F series FX4, Explorer, Expedition, Sport Trac (all control trac 1)
Lincoln Mark LT
Dodge Ram, Dakota
Mitsubishi Raider
Toyota Tundra TRD
Jeep Liberty (Comand-Trac)
Ford Ranger (torsen rear diff)
Mazda B-series
Jeep Cherokee (Quadra-Trac 2)
Dodge Nitro (Quadra-Trac 2)
Lincoln Navigator (Has slip sensing which can auto place into 4hi)
Infiniti QX56 (All-mode 4wd) Autoengages 4wd with slip
Nissan Armada, Pathfinder (All-mode 4wd) Autoengages 4wd with slip
Note Off Road Drive systems may not be driven in 4wd mode on dry pavement as damage to the transfer case will occur

[Allan McD]

I got my new koni suspension kit today I didnt have a lot of time but I managed to make one coilover :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1203/5167256639_11a6d74998_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5167256639/)

Allan

[Allan McD]

My new diff is 39-11 so the ratio is 3.545 so that makes it about 3.8% too high if my maths are correct.
Maybe a viscous from somthing other than a Swift would be able to cope with this amout of error in gearing if its just for hillclimbs and sprints ?
Allan

I have found an Avon slick in the correct compound available that is 3.1% smaller that makes it just 0.7% higher so I think the job is sorted :D
Allan

[Hayling mini]

I have found an Avon slick in the correct compound available that is 3.1% smaller that makes it just 0.7% higher so I think the job is sorted :D
Allan

Well done Allan, never doubted for a second that you would sort it;)

[HTZX10]

Allan was doing some mods to his Z-car's bodywork today instead of working on his AWD racer!
http://www.westhouse.plus.com/images/angus/barrier.jpg

[Allan McD]

Douglas you weren't long getting home to post that you tell tale tit ;)

Heres what really happened it was really sunny and I couldnt see but kept it lit anyway :D

Video to show the sun does shine in Scotland :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyzm5tVLZDo

Allan

[Andy_S]

On a positive note it looks like you got away with minor damage.

[Allan McD]

On a positive note it looks like you got away with minor damage.

Theres now't wrong that wont fix in an hour I was just mad that I had got it wrong .
Allan

[PaulW]

Theres now't wrong that wont fix in an hour I was just mad that I had got it wrong .
Allan

You can't be mad at yourself when you can't see? That low sun is bad enough for driving on the road.......

Paul

[evolotion]

The sun shines thesame way the rain falls.. Horrizontally! Hope it's an easy fix Allan :)

[Allan McD]

Heres todays work :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1284/5187513612_792db1d5c7.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5187513612/)


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5186913999_d8ba1c071b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5186913999/)

Thanks to Atchi for the flanges.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

OOOHHH that looks very nice, how is your engine build coming on?

[Allan McD]

Grace saw your post before I did and she said how many bl***y hands does he think you have :)
I havnt started the engine yet but I have nearly everything I need so I could build it in an hour ;)
The engines are very easy to work with so no problems there just need a LSD and maybe a viscous.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

LOL, I am so used to watching your builds progress at 600mph & assume you work 10 times quicker than anybody else;)

[Allan McD]

I have just got back from our friendly engineering shop who managed to flatten the manifold flange I warped :oops:
Allan

[Allan McD]

More bling.
Well my first bling but I have to start somewhere ;)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5194776052_8116f54ee9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5194776052/)

Allan

[Purtsi]

Where did you find that oil cap?? It looks awesome 8)

[Allan McD]

Where did you find that oil cap?? It looks awesome 8)

I got it with one of the engines I bought years ago the lad wasnt going to let me have it but I talked him into it.
Allan

[Purtsi]

I got it with one of the engines I bought years ago the lad wasnt going to let me have it but I talked him into it.
Allan

Oh, OK. Is it a one-off then? :) I'll need to source a new one at sone point as the original plastic one is so damn ugly :D

[Mark D]

I got it with one of the engines I bought years ago the lad wasnt going to let me have it but i nicked it whilst he wasnt looking.
Allan

about right lol

[Allan McD]

about right lol

You wouldnt nick anything from the lad I got that engine from if he had caught me he would have broken my legs :shock: He is Scottish afterall.
Allan

[Marcus Nordblom]

must be more cars that have the same hole/threads?

looks top notch bytw, is it wrinkle finnish á la Ferrari?

[Allan McD]

Its a bit wrinlley á la I couldnt be bothered spending any more time on it :D
Allan

[Spiyda]

More bling.
Well my first bling but I have to start somewhere ;)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5194776052_8116f54ee9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5194776052/)

Allan

so have you enlarged the PCV take off ? looks different

[Allan McD]

I have enlarged both take off's its going to breath heavy when near 300 bhp :-D
Whats the pvc ?
Allan

[Purtsi]

must be more cars that have the same hole/threads?

looks top notch bytw, is it wrinkle finnish á la Ferrari?

Just found this one from redlinegti:

"are oil caps universal ?"

"i think so .....

cause the one i bought can fit toyotas and hyundais aswell ..."

I wouldn't bet my money on this but there's a chance fit an oil cap from another brand. I sure do wanna find a pretty oil cap just like Allan's ;)

[Allan McD]

I think mine is a one off but I would sell it for £50 :cool:
Allan

[Purtsi]

I think mine is a one off but I would sell it for £50 :cool:
Allan

I kinda guessed that you wouldn't let it go for cheap ;)

[Marcus Nordblom]

I kinda guessed that you wouldn't let it go for cheap ;)

scots…britains "smålänningar":-D

[Purtsi]

scots…britains "smålänningar":-D

Marcus: You gotta translate that one :confused:

btw. ssgti.com sells nice alloy oil caps for '89 -> swifts but not for older :(

[Mark D]

I sure do wanna find a pretty oil cap just like Allan's ;)

I have an Alloy one sat in my garage doing nothing. It was meant to be for a Honda but it does not fit mine. I just dont know how i could check it before sending it, unless i send it to Allan to check first.

[Purtsi]

I have an Alloy one sat in my garage doing nothing. It was meant to be for a Honda but it does not fit mine. I just dont know how i could check it before sending it, unless i send it to Allan to check first.

That would be so cool :cool: It would need to be tested with mk1 cam cover as it seems to be bit differend to mk2 and newer. I believe Allan's engines are all newer than '88, am I right? Atchi to the rescue? lol :D

[Allan McD]

Mine are all Mk2.
Allan

[plastic rules]

This guy has some alloy caps for sale too

http://www.hondacivicforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=22873&p=215464&hilit=oil+filler+cap#p215464

[Purtsi]

This guy has some alloy caps for sale too

http://www.hondacivicforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=22873&p=215464&hilit=oil+filler+cap#p215464

It requires registeration :(

[Marcus Nordblom]

Marcus: You gotta translate that one :confused:

btw. ssgti.com sells nice alloy oil caps for '89 -> swifts but not for older :(

well, smålänningar is from "småland" county, and they are known to
work hard and count their pennies:cool:

"You can take smålänningen out of småland, but you can´t take småland out of smålänningen" thats qouted on the label of a nice beer i drink now and then… (one of the cheapest beers too:-D)

[Purtsi]

Thanks for the clarification =) I figured it could be something like that..

[miniswift]

Hi,

I have both mk1 and mk2 cam head covers.
I can cehcked it for you but I will e away to Swindon now.
So when I get back, I shall dig it out and see if mk1 and 2 are different.

Cheers
Atchi

[Purtsi]

It appears to be so that mk1 and mk2 oil caps can be mixed:

http://redlinegti.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=45535

So no need to check that Atchi unless you want to be 110% sure :)

[Hayling mini]

It dosnt snow as much in Scotland as you folks down south think.
Allan

Do you have any of that really rare snow in Scotland yet Allan;)

[miniswift]

Hi Jerry,

Iain said he hasn't had snow yet.
We had 3" of snow and took me 1 hour to get to my office and it is only 5 miles away!
I wish I had a Justy to try out!

Cheers
Atchi

[Hayling mini]

Hi Jerry,

Iain said he hasn't had snow yet.
We had 3" of snow and took me 1 hour to get to my office and it is only 5 miles away!
I wish I had a Justy to try out!

Cheers
Atchi

We have a Justy ready to go, just need some snow, may have to travel North to find some:)

[Allan McD]

Do you have any of that really rare snow in Scotland yet Allan;)

No snow here but we are going to Pitlochry North of Perth tomorrow for a trophy and dinner dance I wish I had a Justy :D
Allan

[miniswift]

Hi,

I can confirm that both mk1 and mk2 uses the same oil filer cap thingy!

I think we are getting more snow this weekend and even colder!

Cheers
Atchi

[Hayling mini]

No snow here but we are going to Pitlochry North of Perth tomorrow for a trophy and dinner dance I wish I had a Justy :D
Allan

Maybe you should ask Ian if you can borrow his or slap the 8v back in;)

[Hayling mini]

Here she is ready for action
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa233/jerryw_photos/IMG_0175-1.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa233/jerryw_photos/IMG_0174-1.jpg

[spNOam]

I've been out playing on my sledge

[Hayling mini]

I've been out playing on my sledge

How much snow have you got Geoff, do you have any spare rooms in your house, we could bring a Justy over for the weekend:)

[charlie_t]

Here she is ready for action
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa233/jerryw_photos/IMG_0175-1.jpg
These town folks in their 4x4s :-D

[spNOam]

How much snow have you got Geoff, do you have any spare rooms in your house, we could bring a Justy over for the weekend:)

So much snow, It'd take all weekend to get here :D 3 inches in 30 mins, it's been -2 here most of the day....roads are clear now though. Boys have been making a snowman :rolleyes:

[madzuki]

No snow here but we are going to Pitlochry North of Perth tomorrow for a trophy and dinner dance I wish I had a Justy :D
Allan

You'll be coming past my house then, we're 2 minutes off the Luncarty Junction, 2 miles N of Inveralmond roundabout. Welcome to drop in if you want those spider gears. I'll pm the number and address.
And it's snowing!

iain

[Allan McD]

You'll be coming past my house then, we're 2 minutes off the Luncarty Junction, 2 miles N of Inveralmond roundabout. Welcome to drop in if you want those spider gears. I'll pm the number and address.
And it's snowing!

iain
With the snow on our drive at the mo we wont be going anywhere :( I am just going out to try and clear it I will let you know.
Allan

[madzuki]

Come to nothing here, so I'm getting dragged to Glasgow, Scott will be in though.

[madzuki]

And now I can't find the box I put them in to post them, what a loon

[Allan McD]

We plan to be up your way around 4pm depends on the snow I will give you a phone and see whats what.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

So much snow, It'd take all weekend to get here :D 3 inches in 30 mins, it's been -2 here most of the day....roads are clear now though. Boys have been making a snowman :rolleyes:

No snow yet, its supposed to be coming over from the Isle of wight, keep looking through my high powered binoculars but not a fleck as yet:(

[spNOam]

-6 here, snow not going away

[Hayling mini]

Just started to snow here:)

[spNOam]

As it was such a nice day went out for a spin, took some photos:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k63/spnoam/C20XE/IMG_0008.jpg

Main roads are clear, the minor roads are the same as the layby

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k63/spnoam/C20XE/IMG_0009.jpg

[Hayling mini]

Our snow lasted about 15 minutes, so no Justy fun at the moment:(

[madzuki]

Is this enough Snow Jerry? we can post some down!
And it's barely stopped since, now over a foot, which can cause the poor wee thing to beach.
Scott's first ever drive in snow..and he's barely stopped grinning since.

="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqb0HGV_AKQ"

Even without LSD's, you can still get all four wheels spinning in snow.

["http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMie3SneSZI"

[Hayling mini]

just goes to show: Subaru Justy, best 4 x 4 by far:D

[Allan McD]

The post man has just been :cool:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/5220052321_7ea48f89ba.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5220052321/)

I got them from MaxSpeedingRods direct.
Allan

[MattG]

get the engine together allan !

[Allan McD]

get the engine together allan !

It wont take long now but there are other hurdles to cross like megasquirt :shock:
a cluch (Jerry ;)) maybe a viscous and much more.
Allan

[MattG]

hows the budget looking :) , any more progress on the actual body etc ?

Matt

[Allan McD]

hows the budget looking :) , any more progress on the actual body etc ?

Matt

The budget is ok up till now but a front Lsd is looking like it may be over the top in £££
The body is near ready that was an easy job.
Allan

[Hayling mini]

They look nice Allan, still working on the clutch I think peoples description of heavy duty vary somewhat:)

[Allan McD]

Heres the engine near ready to fit :)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5082/5228979110_5cb1851477.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46604465@N05/5228979110/)

Allan

[Purtsi]

Sweeeeeeet :p

[Hayling mini]

That looks really good Allan, I used to have one of those tiny Turbos;)

[Allan McD]

That looks really good Allan, I used to have one of those tiny Turbos;)

The tiny turbo is just to get it running then I will put a big one on ;)
Allan

[miniswift]

Hi Allan,

NICE:cool:!

Can I bring my Mini over to ask you to build it for me!?

I got so many thing from my parents' house and I don't have time to touch my mini:(. I need to be able to get into my garage first:rolleyes:.

Anyway, I have PG LSD block in my house with 3 different spring ratios of Iain's.
If you are going to use his setup, please let me know so that I can send this to you.

Cheers
Atchi