2010 Race Dates

[Mark D]

The latest dates for the championship rounds are now as follows

20th March - Cadwell Park Bike & Car Evening Sprint
1st + 2nd May - Scarborough Festival of Speed Bike & Car Hill Climb Oliver's Mount
29th May - Mallory Park Bike & Car Sprint
6th June - Elvington Park Bike & Car Sprint
3rd July - possible date for Barkston Heath trackday
4th July - Barkston Heath
15th August - 16v sprint championship club stand @ MITP, Santa pod
22nd August - Oliver's Mount Bike & Car Hill Climb
3rd October Barkston Heath

Still waiting for Allan to suggest 1 round north of the border

[PaulW]

answer your phone dude!

[Mark D]

With Barkston heath trackday changing we now have a revised calender. We have now gained an extra Barkston date but lost Cadwell from the championship as it was looking unlikely anyone was going to be there.


1st + 2nd May - Scarborough Festival of Speed Bike & Car Hill Climb Oliver's Mount
29th May - Mallory Park Bike & Car Sprint
6th June - Elvington Park Bike & Car Sprint
12nd June - Trackday (Barkston Heath, non championship practice)
13th June - Barkston Heath
4th July - Barkston Heath
15th August - 16v sprint championship club stand @ MITP, Santa pod
22nd August - Oliver's Mount Bike & Car Hill Climb
2nd October - Trackday (Non championship practice)
3rd October Barkston Heath

[Andy_S]

So who's entered Olivers Mount on 1st & 2nd May?

[spNOam]

Not until I get my oil leak sorted, but am hopeful.
Still waiting for Ronnie to give Helen a looking over & sorting the race car log book.
Question - Proban or Nomex overalls?

[Allan McD]

So who's entered Olivers Mount on 1st & 2nd May?
I have :D
Allan

[Richard]

So who's entered Olivers Mount on 1st & 2nd May?

I have ;)

[Andy_S]

Hurrah for Allan & Richard & maybe Geoff if his oil leak is fixed. :)

Paul is deffo going too, but what about Smurfy & Pappa Smurf?

There's no Mark :( ........ unless he conjurs up a shared drive of other Paul's Chinquiichentoto.

[Allan McD]

What about you Andy ?
Allan

[Andy_S]

My application is in the post, so hopefully I'll be there too. :D

[PaulW]

yep deffo me :D going over Friday afternoon to set up camp.....well park the van:D

got my confimation today as well

Paul

[Mark D]

may be there in a cheeky cunto, just need to save up a bit extra for my helmet.

[spNOam]

Motor club joined, entry applications filled in (2 days?), 10 days to sort oil leak, do some testing, log book the car & get applications sent. (and lose 4 stone :rolleyes:)

[Andy_S]

Got my entry to Ollies Mount confirmed yesterday. :)

Hopefully Geoff gets the oil leak repaired & car rebuilt over the weekend, then we'll have 3 Vauxhalls, 1 Rover & 1 Busa powered Minis and MarkD in a Chinkychonky.

[spNOam]

Looking good so far, will have the main bearing (I could get a 10 thou feeler in the gap) & oil seal sorted today, sump back on & engine & box back in tomorrow. If no leaks then my entries going in.

[Smurfy]

Just been talking to my dad and I think we will pop over to spectate.

The new car wont be ready in time for this.

[Andy_S]

Just been talking to my dad and I think we will pop over to spectate.

The new car wont be ready in time for this & I don't fancy fucking my pretty blue Mini again.

Will be good to see you both :D

[Mark D]

I also dont think i'm going to be there in the cheeky cunto with paul, i need every weekend from now on to get mine ready. I am planning though to come over on the sat afternoon and to stay overnight and spectate on the sunday. Has anyone got a spare ticket???

[Andy_S]

I also dont think i'm going to be there in the cheeky cunto with paul, i need every weekend from now on to get mine ready. I am planning though to come over on the sat afternoon and to stay overnight and spectate on the sunday. Has anyone got a spare ticket???

Depends how tight they are on the gate, I have Me & wife & 3 kids & dog, but if they aren't counted as pit crew then you can have my spare paddock pass.

[Mark D]

cheers andy, i think kids normally go free so i think you will only need 2 tickets, i'll only need 1 but there will be myself and melissa.

[spNOam]

I've looked through the blue book, still got the question - Proban or Nomex overalls?

[PaulW]

I've looked through the blue book, still got the question - Proban or Nomex overalls?

either or Geoff, Proban suit is fine until 2012 if you already have one. Proban is a cheaper suit as its single layer but perfectly suited to what we do until the MSA nobbers say otherwise:D

Paul

[spNOam]

Thanks Paul, one less expense :cool:

[JUGGLERS]

[QUOTE=Mark D;186401]The latest dates for the championship rounds are now as follows

20th March - Cadwell Park Bike & Car Evening Sprint
1st + 2nd May - Scarborough Festival of Speed Bike & Car Hill Climb Oliver's Mount
29th May - Mallory Park Bike & Car Sprint
6th June - Elvington Park Bike & Car Sprint
3rd July - possible date for Barkston Heath trackday
4th July - Barkston Heath
15th August - 16v sprint championship club stand @ MITP, Santa pod
22nd August - Oliver's Mount Bike & Car Hill Climb
3rd October Barkston Heath

Hey Guys , i'm a new boy to the forum & just putting together a KAD 16v to go in my Mini & i have spotted the DEWS speed series in Mini World Mag it takes in Sprints & hillclimb events , it seems it does not matter where you live you can just join the club & register then send in your results , i found them very helpful & the classes seem to cater for most varients , take a look www.dewsc.org.uk for details .. i have just registered and now i must get my finger out and finish the car !!

[spNOam]

Entry posted, loads to do, still no log book for car, can this be arranged on the day?

[Andy_S]

Entry posted, loads to do, still no log book for car, can this be arranged on the day?

No.

You'll need that in advance in case the scrutineer wants you to make any changes.

Glad to read that you're deffo coming :)

Maybe one of us Vauxhall boys can beat Richard's Rover power ...... probably not ...... and we don't stand a hope in hell of beating Allan unless he takes a wheel off & drives backwards :D

[spNOam]

Cheers Andy, I'm doing all I can to get this sorted locally, I was just hoping it would be something less to do.....;)

[PaulW]

No.

unless he takes a wheel off & drives backwards :D

That would be hardly be giving us a advantage either dude:D

Paul

[Andy_S]

That would be hardly be giving us a advantage either dude:D

Paul

You're right ....... we'll tell Allan to take 3 wheels of his wagon to make it fair.

[Allan McD]

I have been to Loton and I was 1.5 seconds faster than last year :D
And Kames 2 seconds faster than last year but at Scarborough I only expect to be about a second quicker :cool:
Allan

[spNOam]

My entry confirmation arrived today :)

[Mark D]

My entry confirmation arrived today :)

Marky D is now feeling :(, i wish mine was ready.

[Andy_S]

My entry confirmation arrived today :)

Cool :cool:

[spNOam]

My entry confirmation arrived today :)

And the nice man from the MSA is coming to see me today (hope he's in a good mood) :???:

[picKup]

Is that why your up this early???

[spNOam]

:D Early start every day, GP starts @ 7 :D

[spNOam]

And the nice man from the MSA is coming to see me today (hope he's in a good mood) :???:

:D I now have a competition car log book :D

[Richard]

Well done Geoff, hope to see you at Scarborough.

[Andy_S]

:D I now have a competition car log book :D

Nice one Geoff :)

[spNOam]

Looking forward to Scarborough...car is pretty much untested and needs a bit of a shakedown, are you guys going to BH for a sneaky practice next week?

[Andy_S]

Looking forward to Scarborough...car is pretty much untested and needs a bit of a shakedown, are you guys going to BH for a sneaky practice next week?

Yup, Paul, Richard & I are heading over there.

OR at least Paul & Richard are, but some local pissed up halfwitt smashed the front window of my Passat last night so I now need that replacing before Saturday :(

[PaulW]

Yup, Paul, Richard & I are heading over there.

OR at least Paul & Richard are, but some local pissed up halfwitt smashed the front window of my Passat last night so I now need that replacing before Saturday :(

Thats bad dude sorry to here that......have you been upsetting the Great Ayton massive again:D

[Andy_S]

Thats bad dude sorry to here that......have you been upsetting the Great Ayton massive again:D

:) Now if you'd got your screen smahed I'd assume you'd been giving some little scrote a mouthful of colourful advice ......... but in my case it's just bad luck. :(

[spNOam]

Final instructions arrived, car number 43, do we have a 'sponsor' for the numbers or do we just use black tape?

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k63/spnoam/C20XE%20Mini/Photo0301.jpg

[Andy_S]

If your car goes half as good as it looks then you're gona beat Allan up the hill!!!!

Very nice indeedy. :cool:

[PaulW]

Final instructions arrived, car number 43, do we have a 'sponsor' for the numbers or do we just use black tape?


You could use black tape, you could buy some on ebay.......on the other hand you can have some off me for nowt:D I usually have a few sheets in the van.

Paul

[spNOam]

Many thanks Paul, much appreciated, something else for me to cross off the list.

[spNOam]

Can't make Elvington :( very late to get an entry at Mallory so looks like I'll see you guys at Barkston.

[Andy_S]

Here's the race standings after Barky Heath.

Twas a real shame that Allan couldn't be there :( ......... but Richard might not agree since he's now leading the Championship.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x109/minifixation/2010races2.jpg

[Allan McD]

Why was there two lots of points (Double) awarded on the 13th June ?
Allan

[Andy_S]

Why was there two lots of points (Double) awarded on the 13th June ?
Allan

There were two events (am & pm), the same as last year ........ so you scored 2 lots of 6 points after caning everyone.

[Allan McD]

So it was the same track am and pm but it was run as two evets ?

There is no mention anywhere that it was to be run as two events :verymad:

[Andy_S]

So it was the same track am and pm but it was run as two evets ?

There is no mention anywhere that it was to be run as two events :verymad:

You're right about that.

I just copied what we did last year, so maybe I'm in the wrong with the scoring.

How was your trip to Loton BTW?

[Allan McD]

Loton wasnt so good I spun on the second corner of practice and lost the run.
On the second run I realised it was because of my latest front shock mod (soft springs) because there were a few BIG crashes that was all the practice I got.
On Sunday I fixed the shocks but was a bit cautious on the first run then it rained for the rest of the day :(
Allan

[Andy_S]

Here's the corrected scoring for the last weekend.

I've added Mike & Lawrence back into the points now that we're on a single scoring basis.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x109/minifixation/2010races2alt-1.jpg

[Richard]

Why was there two lots of points (Double) awarded on the 13th June ?
Allan

Andy's results spreadsheets for this year have always shown that there were going to be two seperate events at each round at Barkston Heath - the same as last year!

[Allan McD]

What relevence has Andys spreadsheets ?
They were prodused after the first round was by.
I supose we could have points for every lap we have done at every event.
Allan

[Mark D]

so maybe I'm in the wrong with the scoring.


I think we do need to look at this as I will say Allan, but it could be anyone who does not do the barkston rounds. They could be disadvantaged if it is run as 2 rounds. I think 13th June should just be one round as it was the same track and if at any future events the track is changed at lunchtime then the winner is taken from the average of your 2 fastest times.

[Andy_S]

I supose we could have points for every lap we have done at every event.
Allan

I can produce a score chart based on that approach if you give me a day or so :rolleyes:

Last year we only included the 'double header' after discussing it between ourselves at Barky Heath. This year I just 'assumed' to do the same, but if we look at Marks list of events, none of the Barky trips are shown on a double basis.

I've been in touch with the FIA and they think we should give the trophey to Michael Schumacher, but when I explained that he wasn't involved they told me to f,u,c,k off. The championship is still wide open on the above basis, 3 events left & 3 points between Richard & Allan ............. love it :-D.

[Andy_S]

I think we do need to look at this as I will say Allan, but it could be anyone who does not do the barkston rounds. They could be disadvantaged if it is run as 2 rounds. I think 13th June should just be one round as it was the same track and if at any future events the track is changed at lunchtime then the winner is taken from the average of your 2 fastest times.

Over-ruled.

You get half points for each, just in case of a breakdown on one of the runs.

[Mark D]

Andy i've also noticed that your scoring is wrong, you win 1 point for each member that you beat but you have laurence down for 2 points, Allan does not count because he had not entered and i dont count because i never did a timed run.

see point number r4

The sprint championship is being run using events organised by the Auto66 club in scarborough (www.auto66.com). The events use circuits such as Olivers mount in scarborough, teesside autodrome, harewood, 3 sisters, croft, elivington and sometimes cadwell and runs through out the summer.
The championship is open to all members of the 16V mini club and invited guests. Whilst there is a serious side to motorsport this championship is being run and organised to promote a bit of comerardery between members and as a social gathering so dont expect massive trophys or prize money. There will however be a trophy for 1st overall which is kindly being donated by Geoff at Watsons and maybe a small sponsorship from Matt G and the 16v mini shop . The championship is also being covered by the new mini video magazine so come and get yourself famous.
As in any form of motorsport we do have entry rules alongside those of the RACMSA but wont be overboard on them. At the present time these are:
1) Competitors must be either a member of the 16v mini club or an invited guest.
2) 16v mini club stickers must be displayed where they can be seen on each side of the vehicle or 1 on the front
3) vauxhalls get a 10 second time penalty (only joking)
4) points are awarded for each championship member that you beat on the day, so if 5 people are racing on the day last place will get 1 point and 1st place will get 5 points.
5) to help keep the costs down a little the winner will be determined by adding together your best 6 scores from the 11 events.
6) Depending upon the number and type of entries we may run 2 classes for road legal cars and non road legal cars

[Mark D]

Over-ruled.

You get half points for each, just in case of a breakdown on one of the runs.

I can go with that, seems sensible

[Andy_S]

Andy i've also noticed that your scoring is wrong, you win 1 point for each member that you beat but you have laurence down for 2 points, Allan does not count because he had not entered and i dont count because i never did a timed run.

I'm scoring that you get 7 points for winning if 7 cars enter, I'm not not counting any cars who do not enter, but I am counting your car as it entered but failed to finish. This way you get 1 point for finishing last as long as you post a time.

Have a look at my DNF from day 1 at Ollies, I get zero points, but Geoff still gets 2 points. This is exactly the same scoring as last year & everyone was happy then.

[Mark D]

ah, ok, i thought you had counted me and allan as 0 and 1, then started laurence on 2. Your right with me not getting a point as i failed to post a time.

So is everyone happy that we change the regs to include a half point scoring system if there is a track change at any of the circuits.

[picKup]

What about a sort of multiplier for the amount of timed runs in a given event. That way if a day is split into 2 events it does not matter. But the emphisis is on the events that you should get more runs at!

EG same points as in the table, then multiply by the number of timed runs.

So Andy would get 7*2= 14 for the AM
and 7*3=21 for the PM

Just a thought!

Mike

[Allan McD]

Over-ruled.

You get half points for each, just in case of a breakdown on one of the runs.

It makes no ods to me as long as we know long before the meeting.
I chose not to run at Barkston after the date was changed as I am running in a championship at Loton.
If its double points or half points so be it as long as we know then we can all make decisions on that basis.
Allan

[Mark D]

If its double points or half points so be it as long as we know then we can all make decisions on that basis.
Allan

I dont think any event should carry double points unless it is held on a seperate day such as olivers mount. If it's double points it would seriously disadvantage anyone who cannot make it. I think half points is the best idea.

[PaulW]

I dont think any event should carry double points unless it is held on a seperate day such as olivers mount. If it's double points it would seriously disadvantage anyone who cannot make it. I think half points is the best idea.

That has to be the simplest idea. I think its a case of all agreeing though.

Paul

[Andy_S]

1 day of racing = 1 full set of points ....... simples!

Appologies for causing this protracted debate.

The confusion has only arrisen after the Barky event because I 'assumed' to adopt the same approach as last year (which was only agreed on the day).

The fact is that we hadn't agreed in advance to count double points this year & so I shouldn't have made that assumption.

[PaulW]

1 day of racing = 1 full set of points ....... simples!

Appologies for causing this protracted debate.

The confusion has only arrisen after the Barky event because I 'assumed' to adopt the same approach as last year (which was only agreed on the day).

The fact is that we hadn't agreed in advance to count double points this year & so I shouldn't have made that assumption.

proper trouble causer you are Snowdendon, its always the quiet ones:-D

[Miniwidow]

Quiet my arse!

[Allan McD]

Quiet my arse!
He is Quiet but you maybe bring out the ****** in him :D
Allan

[Miniwidow]

there are too many asterisks there for nag, Allan

[spNOam]

When are we out next? Closing date for entries?

[PaulW]

Its olivers mount again on 22nd August. Dont think i'll be doing it though.

Paul

[Allan McD]

Its olivers mount again on 22nd August. Dont think i'll be doing it though.

Paul

Get your entry in its the most exiting track we go to :cool:
Allan

[PaulW]

Get your entry in its the most exiting track we go to :cool:
Allan

No idea if i'll even have a job by then Allan. Its not that i dont want to do it!

Paul

[Richard]

No idea if i'll even have a job by then Allan. Its not that i dont want to do it!

Paul

I thought it was mandatory that Paul entered ;)

Geoff, closing date for entries is Fri 6th August. I haven't got mine in yet though.
R

[Mark D]

I should be there but not with the car, i'm not planning on getting it logbooked until next year after a bit of testing.

Hopefully i'll try to do a few more rounds at Barkston though.

[Andy_S]

Sadly I won't be at Ollies this month :(

Haven't got the M'Squirt working properly & although reverting to carbs is entirely do-able, I'm having too much fun playing with the Injection so don't want to swap back & forth.

Will deffo be at Barky Heath in Sept & Oct ......... though maybe not very competetive & probably emiting plumes of black smoke :rolleyes:

This injection mapping mallarky is more fun than PS3 :)

[spNOam]

Really need to look at the scoring system. Penalties for not turning up opr something :evil:

[Richard]

Sadly I won't be at Ollies this month :(



Andy, you big girl's blouse! I though we had a battle on for the front wheel drive championship, you can't just roll over like that. Slap the carbs back on and come out to play ;)

See you at Barky, we have unfinished business (0.011 sec)
R

[PaulW]

i got my confirmation yesterday:D

I still reckon Andy could get the EFI working and get a late entry in!

Paul

[spNOam]

I reckon Andy should enter 'pikey' :D

[Andy_S]

I reckon Andy should enter a 'pikey' biatch :D

............. and give her a good :megasquirt:?

I'm struggling for time to refit the carbs due to family holiday and also there's now no-where sensible to fit the MBE ecu for the carbs & the fuel sysytem is swirled with LP & HP pumps. :(

If I solve the ITB issues tomorrow then I'll attempt to get a late entry for Ollies, but with the spluttering misfire he's currently got at higher revs I'd deffo be faster driving Pikey up the hill.

[Andy_S]

OK, the wee fella is idling & revving like a sewing machine (he lied)......... at least he's not coughing & farting like he was on Friday, so I'm gona send off the entry for Ollies tomorrow.

You're all very mean making me race, beating the spluttering General will be like taking sweeties from a baby.

........... Do you think I'm allowed to race with a laptop on my knees?

[Andy_S]

Got the late entry at Ollies confirmed today. :)

............. still considering sneaking the carbs back on next week, but that would really feel like a failure.

Probably I'll just test run the car in the garage using the PaulW rolling road, IE 2 big blocks of wood under the front, wheels off & a bit of brake effort to simulate rolling resistance. :rolleyes:

[Allan McD]

Its going to be a good weekend I feel it in my bones :D
Allan

[spNOam]

Anyone besides me camping Saturday night? If so what time are you arriving? Just timing my run.

[Richard]

Anyone besides me camping Saturday night? If so what time are you arriving? Just timing my run.


Geoff, we aim to get there 4ish. If you get there first, grab our usual spot although there is a lack of Morgans this time.
Our oldest son, Phil and wife Kerry are camping over with us so we are prob going into Scarborough for an evening meal.
The ARB is finished, are you still interested?

Paul, did you see that you are first of the pack again

R

[Allan McD]

We will be there some time around 6pm.
Allan

[PaulW]

Geoff, we aim to get there 4ish. If you get there first, grab our usual spot although there is a lack of Morgans this time.
Our oldest son, Phil and wife Kerry are camping over with us so we are prob going into Scarborough for an evening meal.
The ARB is finished, are you still interested?

Paul, did you see that you are first of the pack again

R

Yep Ive seen Richard :D.....not too fussed anymore:D

Anyone besides me camping Saturday night? If so what time are you arriving? Just timing my run.

Arriving about 4.00pm also Geoff. I'm bringing the small BBQ for Saturday night so bring something to cook and we can have a few beers round it:D

Paul

[Andy_S]

It's all to play for in October at Barky Heath :) ...........

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x109/minifixation/2010races-22ndAug2010.jpg

[Mark D]

It's going to be interesting to see how the best 6 scores rule works, there could be 7 or 8 points to play for!!

The fwd trophy is a close thing, if there are 7 points to play for i think we can asume alan will take the 7 points making him the overall winner but fwd class is tight between andy and richard. Richard has 6 events in already so if he comes in 2nd will drop 2 points and replace them with 6, if andy then gets 5 richard wins but if andy gets 6 points richard will drop 2 points and only gain 5and andy wins. It's going to be better then then watching the F1.

[Richard]

Too true Mark. Allan has just got to turn up and he has got the championship, no probs.
FWD class however is tight. Being realistic though I have only beaten Andy once this year, at Ollies Mount in May, when he was having problems with his front suspension. I blew my chance by not being fast enough at Ollies in August
He loves Barkston Heath and always manages to make it round a fraction of a second faster than me. Thats why we are going back this weekend for some practice (and fun)
R

[Andy_S]

Hey guys, this years championship was even closer than I thought.

I've made an application to the FIA with regards to the points which are scored for an event where you enter but break your car before getting a time.

The big question is, do I get a point at Olivers Mount on 1st May when my car broke on second timed practice or do I get zero for being rubbish?

................ Max Mosely is coming back to me in the next few days.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x109/minifixation/2010races-Final.jpg

Just shows how close things were this year :shock: (I know it can't count cos it would be my 7th score, but Richard will read the other bit & poo himself)

Can't wait for it all to start agian. :D

[Richard]

Just changed my underwear :p

[Mark D]

The big question is, do I get a point at Olivers Mount on 1st May when my car broke on second timed practice or do I get zero for being rubbish?

No, i didnt get a point when my car broke at Barkston!!!

[Allan McD]

No, i didnt get a point when my car broke at Barkston!!!

Thats a pity because that point would have doubled your points and would have made you last equal insead of last in your own right ;) ;)
Dont cry Mark things can only get better :D
Allan

[Mark D]

Thats a pity because that point would have doubled your points and would have made you last equal insead of last in your own right ;) ;)
Dont cry Mark things can only get better :D
Allan

But i've had a funtaastic year coming last Allan, i may have been last but i've enjoyed every minute of achieving it, it's just one rule for one and all that.